Text 49592, 90 rader
Skriven 2007-04-18 12:35:50 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
  Kommentar till text 49588 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Shootings
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Hello Michiel!

18 Apr 07 17:09, you wrote to me:

 MV>>> This was not merely a bad guy, this was a lunatic.

 RC>> Bad guys, lunatics, guns..

 RC>> Terminology and tools.

 RC>> Your car is used for transportation. A tool

 MV> a car is designed for transportation, not to kill people.

A tool that can be misused, outside of its design.

 RC>> A kitchen knife is used to cut food. A Tool

 MV> A kitchen knife is not designed to kill people

But other knives are, a knife can be misused outside of its designed purpose.

 RC>> A hammer is used to drive in nails, shape metal. A Tool

 MV> See above

Indeed.

 RC>> Tools can often be misused.

 MV> Tools can be misused, but killing people with a handgun is not misuse.
 MV> It it using it for what it was designed for.

Both offensively as you portray it, or defensively as you refuse to see it.

 RC>> Bad guys are lunatics,

 MV> Some are and some ar not.

Anyone fool enough to break the law in such a fashion as to deprive another of
property, safety and health or life is a lunatic.

 RC>> if they seek to cause others any form of harm, be it damage to
 RC>> property, theft, bodily harm or death.

 MV> A bank robber who is merely after the money is not a lunatic.

Yes they are.

 MV>  Bank robbers do not kill 32 people and then commit suicide.

Bank robbers have killed people and a few have committed suicide when cornered.

 MV>  That is
 MV> illogical. Robbing a bank is not illogical in itself. Not all
 MV> criminals are lunatics.

They are all lunatics.

 MV>>> But how do you do that: change the mindset?

 RC>> http://qsi.cc/blog/archives/000144.html

 MV> That is not an anser to my question.

Oh but it does, I gather guns arent totally illegal over in your country, but
even the legal controls your society places on them isnt sufficient to curtail
their use for nefarious purposes.

 MV> other than that: there are lies, dammed lies ans statistics.

Denial isnt a river in egypt.

 MV> BTW, why are you making the into an "us versus them" issue again?

Because you cant prove banning guns is the solution, since the criminal mind
wont observe those bans.

Aside from BeeYorns little jab.


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