Text 7663, 74 rader
Skriven 2005-03-21 17:38:08 av Robert Couture (1:229/2000)
   Kommentar till text 7653 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
Ärende: FidoNews 22:11 [01/06]: Food For Thought
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David Drummond -> Robert Couture wrote:

 DD> If I haven't obtained the copy they have lost exactly the same amount of
 DD> money - zero. If I wasn't going to buy/rent/pay to view it anyway, their
 DD> income is the same whether I view the clone or not.

Wrong.  As long as you are willing to NOT pay for viewing the DVD, yet are
willing to watch the clone, you ARE taking money away from them.

You cannot justify your theft in any manner.  If you do not wish to
buy/rent/pay to view their DVD, then you should not watch it.  Period.

You argument is a lame attept to justify violating another's copyright and
stealing money out of their pockets.

 DD>>> They have lost income when I don't rent/buy the thing anyway. My
 DD>>> watching a clone does not make them lose any more.

 RC>> Yes it does.  For every clone you watch, they have lost that income.

 DD> But... they have lost that anyway, I don't visit the cinema.

Yes they have if you watch a clone and do not pay for it.

 DD> I have lost income because you don't hire my services to write PHPs for
 DD> you.

If I stole your code and used it without your permission, you have lost money. 
Same applies to viewing cloned movies.

 RC>> Yes.  Because you are watching the clone instead of renting/buying an
 RC>> original.

 DD> How did they lose more money by e watching the clone, it hasn't cost
 DD> them any more for me to watch it, than to not watch it. They weren't
 DD> going to get paid anyway.

Then you should not be watching a clone version.  Doing so robs them of their
rightful income.

 RC>> You are trying to justify your viewing of clones, but there is no
 RC>> justification.

 DD> I don't have to justify it, I have no qualms about this victimless
"crime".

There is no victimless crime here.  There are plenty of victims.  From the
producers to the actors down to the lowly grips that work on the set.  The more
theft that occurs the less money there is to produce more movies.

Yet you ignore the rest of the people you rob - those that have to pay higher
costs because of your theft.  They, too, are victims of your "crime."

 RC>> The more people that watch clones, the less people
 RC>> rent/purchase originals, the higher the prices climb to offset your
 RC>> watching of the clone.

 DD> And if people just watch them on TV, the renting/purchasing industry is
 DD> gone anyway. Are we obliged to prop up other peoples' failing business
 DD> models?

The models would not be failing if people would do as they should and pay for
those movies/music, whatever.

 DD> Not that I don't understand, more that I refuse to be screwed over by
 DD> the movie industry.

Right.  What a load.  And how is the movie industry screwing you?  You are the
one screwing them by increasing costs across the board.

Robert.

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