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Skriven 2008-02-06 11:56:37 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 10693 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
Ärende: Told ya so - Holloway ... again ...
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Hello Roy,

On Tuesday February 05 2008 11:12, you wrote to me:

 RW>>> Well, we all now know that he did confess to it

 MvdV>> "We" know nothing of the kind. I saw the whole show, every two
 MvdV>> hours and 20 minutes of it and I saw no confession of murder.

 RW> Of course you didn't...LOL!

I did not see a confession of murder. Mind you it was all in Dutch. Maybe your
Babelfish barfed?

 MvdV>> If you believe that he lied about lying about it, why would you
 MvdV>> believe *anything* he said?

 RW> I don't...however, the judge in Aruba must believe it, as he said it
 RW> was admissable in court.

Credibility and admissibility are two different things. Something can be
admissible but totally incredible. or the other way around. But surely no judge
said it was admissible, as that will only be ruled upon when the court is in
session and it is presented as evidence.

What you heard was probably the wishful thinking of the prosecutor.

 MvdV>> He has not been arrested yet. A request for arrest was denied
 MvdV>> by the judge. "Insufficient" new evidence.

 RW> Wrong...the reporters' video is admissable in court - Aruban Judge.

Your source? Let me guess; Fox.

The only issue that recently officially involved a judge was the request for
his arrest. And that was denied because of insufficient new evidence.

 MvdV>> Het thought she was dead and his accomplice confirmed it.

 RW> Oh, so now he and his accomplice are doctors...an innocent person
 RW> would have transported that girl to a medical facility, not dump her
 RW> at sea.

You keep forgetting that the onus of proof is on the prosecution. It is the
prosecution that will have to prove she was alive when she hit the water.

Strange that you keep forgetting that as when the finger was pointed at you,
you kept stressing it.

 MvdV>> For a murder charge, the prosecution will have to prove that
 MvdV>> she was alive when she was dumped in the sea. I do not think
 MvdV>> that is possible.

 RW> That's ok, there are plenty of charges that he can be charged with.

whatever the charge is: the onus of proof is on the prosecution....

 MvdV>> So if he is a liar why believe his "confession"?

 RW> Even his lawyer (the dutch one) says that.

Yes, his lawyer says he is a lier. Your point?

 RW> He also says that he's a very troubled and 'dangerous' person.

he did not say "dangerous". The translator at Fox nust have made that up.

 MvdV>>>> In either case there is no murder.

 RW>>> Dumping her body at sea is a crime in and of itself.

 MvdV>> True, but it is a much lesser crime than murder. And besides,
 MvdV>> he dis not d that himself, he was merely an assessor to that.

 RW> He is the instigator of that crime. He won't be charged as the
 RW> assessory.

You keep forgetting that it is *Dutch* law that applies.....

 MvdV>> In his "confession" he says she died on the beach. I do not
 MvdV>> think it will be possible to prove otherwise.

 RW> He isn't a doctor, so he doesn't know for sure. She could have been in
 RW> a coma and only a doctor would be able to determine that.

At the time he thought she was dead. Are you saying that does not count?

 RW>>>  In either case, what he did was a crime.

 MvdV>> But not murder.

 RW> I think so.

What you think is irrelevant.

 MvdV>> The maximum penalty for making a body disappear is 6 month in
 MvdV>> prison.

 RW> He should be in a mental institution.

Your opinion. I do not think the court will be impressed by it.

 MvdV>>  If it ever comes to that. *if*. He already spent more time in
 MvdV>> prison durng his previous arrests. Which means he will walk
 MvdV>> even if he is convicted.

 RW> So, you're admitting that there is no justice in Holland and/or it's
 RW> territories?

So you are saying that appointing a scapegoat by popular vote and lynch him is
justice?

 MvdV>> But he can probably forget about compensation for undue
 MvdV>> arrest....

 RW> But he probably won't forget the compensation he'll be forced to pay
 RW> for a wrongful death.

You keep forgetting it is Dutch law... Ah well never mind.

 RW>>> (if he's found or named) as the assessory to murder, Vandersloot
 RW>>> will be charged with her murder.

 MvdV>> You forget that it is Dutch law that applies, not US law...

 RW> So, you're admitting that there is no justice in Dutch and/or it's
 RW> territories?

So you are saying that appointing a scapegoat by popular vote and lynch him is
justice?

 RW>>> There's no need to worry about that anymore, he confessed.

 MvdV>> Not to murder.

 RW>  You have a very blunt mind if you believe that. By stating that she
 RW> went into convulsions on the beach and collapsed, then calls a friend
 RW> to dump the body at sea, is a confession of murder.

That is just your interpretation. You are welcome to come to Aruba and offer
your services as an expert witness to the court....

 MvdV>> As for the rest of his confession, it will in all likehood be
 MvdV>> rejected as evidence in court.

 RW> Not according to the Aruban Judge.

<shrug> It won't be formally decided until it is presented in court.

 MvdV>> By Dutch law it is against the law to tape people on private
 MvdV>> property without them being aware of it.

 RW> It wasn't on private property, it was done in a vehicle owned by the
 RW> reporters' accomplice or the reporter.

The inside of the car was not n area accessible to the general public and hence
it is "private property" in the legal sense.

By secretly videotaping the conversation with Joran van der Sloot, Peter R. de
Vries and his accomplice committed a crime for which the maximum penalty is
nine month in prison....

 RW>  They can do what they want with their own property.

You keep forgetting...

 RW>>> News reporters are pretty much exempt,

 MvdV>> Not here they aren't.

 RW> Here isn't in Aruba.

Joran vander Sloot is here. Peter R. de Vries is here...


Cheers, Michiel

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