Text 10859, 125 rader
Skriven 2008-02-10 08:17:26 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
  Kommentar till text 10854 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
Ärende: Shootings in USA
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 RC>>> As to your second question, a law abiding citizen might need one to
 RC>>> protect themselves from the lawbreaking citizens.

 BF>> That must mean that there are *plenty* of lawbreaking citizens in USA.

 RC> There are plenty of those, not all of which resort to murder and mayhem.

We have them as well but not to that amount that we need a gun to defend
ourself. Of course it depends on where we go but normally in a street there
aren't any problems and not in our homes either.

 RC> When you started this thread, I said oh no not another Anti-USA rant and
 RC> that was what it is... If you dont give a rats ass about the USA, have no
 RC> plans ever to live or visit here, your apparent fascination with events
 RC> that take place within our border, much less your obsession over Fox News
 RC> and other things that represent Americana, say something totally
 RC> different.

Why haven't anyone ever spoken up againt Roy in his Euro-rants that he still
are doing.....and it isn't my problem that you live up to the expectations of
Fox
News. If the American people like Fox it says more about them than about Fox.
Wasn't it Karl Marx who said:"Give the people what they want"?

 RC> Yeah yeah you have a right to comment, but why bother?

As they say here in Thailand: That's up to you.

 RC> Sure there are alot of people over here whom misuse a right and harm
 RC> others, your solution, ban ban ban...

And yours is to sentence them to death...

 RC> By the sheer size of our population and land surface area, we also have a
 RC> high fatality rate with the Automobile, much higher than that with
 RC> firearms, I know, lets do the European thing, lets ban the automobile!

Is this a European-rant? I thought you were above that sort of things.
I don't recall that any country here have baned automobiles.

 BF>> And you mean that the right way to meet violence is to use even more
 BF>> violence?

 RC> Well I dont own a gun, but if I had access to one and the opportunity to
 RC> prevent someone from using his on me, you are damn right, I would rather
 RC> see the bullet holes in the perp and not me.

Oh, so would I but meeting violence with more violence isn't the answer and I
know, shit happends but that's life.

 BF>> If someone would break into my house to steal I would just sit and watch
 BF>> them do it.

 RC> We already know that, you all sat back and watched and let Germany take
 RC> Europe.

Another European-rant.......how strange. We didn't do anything when USA
invaded Iraq either.

 BF>>  Let them take whatever they like, it's all stuff
 BF>> that isn't worth getting killed over or kill for. After the burglar is
 BF>> gone I get everything back on my insurance so what?

 RC> This sort of thing dont sit right with many over here, in your eyes you
 RC> might as well legalize burglary.

That's not the point. Nothing wordly is worth dying or kill for. Everything is
replaceable except for a life.

 RC> Contrary to what you might think, not every single citizen of the USA owns
 RC> a gun or cares to.

That's a good thing. Let it be more of those.

 RC> The District Of Columbia has long had a gun ban, which has done nothing to
 RC> curb the crime rate, especially with gun crimes. (DC's law currently being
 RC> reviewed by the USSC)

I guess that's up to the police and what resources they have. Even in Sweden,
and in every country I guess, the police have limits and it's up to the
politicians
to change that. Don't you agree?
It's not up to either you or me to be police, judge and executioner.

 BF>>  And remember that
 BF>> if you should kill this guy you have to live with it for the rest of your
 BF>> life,

 RC> I could live with it as opposed to dieing for that mans greed.

As long as you have no experience I don't think you can say if you can.

 BF>>  that you have killed someone. Can you live with that? I
 BF>> couldn't. Of course I would do anything to protect my life but if I don't
 BF>> meet violence with violence I stand a much better chance to survive,
 BF>> don't you think? And if someone really want you dead there isn't anything
 BF>> you can do about it anyway.

 RC> Again, I dont own any guns so I am in your boat, but that doesnt mean I am
 RC> going to play Mr Pacifist.

What would you do then? If the burglar have a gun or a knife and know how to
use them? Tell him that you are Superman?

 RC> You are making an assumption that someone brash
 RC> enough to break into a home when the owners are presently inside will not
 RC> harm the owners regardless of how well behaved they the owners comport
 RC> themselves. What I describe above is typically called a home invasion.

If you don't threaten him he will most likly take what he want and leave and
then it's up to the police to catch him and if they can't there is something
wrong
with the society and again, that's up to the politicians.
I read on the Swedish news now that the Govt. are talking about letting the
social
have the right to call the police to get those who are skipping school just
because it's those who later in life will be criminals. Right or wrong....I
don't
know but something must be done to prevent them from becoming criminals.
Prevention is better than cure but this is something that takes time and we
have
to start somewhere.

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