Text 11335, 66 rader
Skriven 2008-02-19 04:28:50 av Bob Ackley (1:300/3)
  Kommentar till text 11279 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
Ärende: Shootings in USA
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Replying to a message of Roy Witt to Bob Ackley:

 RW>>> If I, among the majority of voters in my area want to make it
 RW>>> illegal, you're saying I don't have a right?

 BA>> Only WRT government buildings - and most of those are now 'smoke
 BA>> free.' I don't have a problem with that, BTW.

 RW> The corner bar around the corner from where you grew up in California
 RW> doesn't allow smoking, by state law. Which was voted on in a
 RW> state-wide Proposition to and by the people of California some years
 RW> ago.

 RW> If you want to smoke, you have to go outside. Even smoking outside of
 RW> the bar is regulated. It has to be done in a designated area for
 RW> smoking.

 RW>>> A smoker doesn't have the right to smoke in my prescence either.

 BA>> A smoker has a right to smoke in your presence if it's in a public
 BA>> area or business where smoking is allowed.

 RW> Your statement doesn't reflect reality. Smoking in many public areas
 RW> is prohibited, as is smoking in a business where non-smokers work
 RW> along side smokers. A designated smoking area is set up outside for
 RW> that. The most exposure to smoking a non-smoker gets is the smell of
 RW> tobacco on the smokers clothes and breath. Many non-smokers are free
 RW> to express their opinion of people who smell bad. Not to mention that
 RW> non-smokers are in the majority and may pass more laws to curtail the
 RW> exposure to tobbaco.

 BA>> If you don't like it you're free to move to someplace where it isn't
 BA>> allowed.

 RW> I'm also free to tell him to put out the smoke or move on...being in
 RW> the majority, there will invariably be someone else who is offended
 RW> by the smoker's nasty habit.

With rights - such as your 'right' to breathe clean air (note that in this
country
most of the air is demonstrably *not* clean) - come responsibilities, such as
the responsibility to not place yourself in a venue where your right would be
violated.

 BA>> There's really no logical difference between what you claim as your
 BA>> 'right' to breathe clean air and your barging into a rock concert
 BA>> and demanding that the band play only polkas because you hate rock
 BA>> music.

 RW> The latter doesn't endanger my health...smoking does.

It certainly does, it harms your hearing.

 BA>> Remember that a legitimate right places no burden or obligation on
 BA>> others.

 RW> I think you'll find yourself in the minority with that kind of
 RW> thinking.

I know that.  And that is one reason this country has gone down the tubes.
I am very happy that I have no children that are going to have to try to live
in the mess you and people like you have made.  I have only a relatively few
years left myself, so I really don't care.

--- FleetStreet 1.19+
 * Origin: Bob's Boneyard, Emerson, Iowa (1:300/3)