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Skriven 2008-03-09 12:57:50 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 12105 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
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09 Mar 08 10:34, Ward Dossche wrote to Robert Bashe:


 RB>> RW>> In 1775, yeah.

 RB>> MV> Wel, that was the start of the USA wasn't it?

 RB>> No, as a matter of fact that is set as July 04, 1776, the day the
 RB>> Declaration of Independence was signed (or published, can't remember
 RB>> which). They were still fighting the British in 1775.

 WD> Actually, the Declaration of Independance was not signed on a
 WD> particular day,

You should pay attention to Europeon history and forget about being the
master of American history.

Thomas Jefferson said,

"In Congress, Friday June 7, 1776. The delegates from Virginia moved in
obedience to instructions from their constituents that the Congress should
declare that these United colonies are & of right ought to be free &
independent states, that they are absolved from all allegiance to the
British crown, and that all political connection between them & the state
of Great Britain is & ought to be, totally dissolved; that measures should
be immediately taken for procuring the assistance of foreign powers, and a
Confederation be formed to bind the colonies more closely together."

And after a month of deliberations in the Continental Congress, Jefferson
continues;

"On Monday, the 1st of July the house resolved itself into a committee of
the whole & resumed the consideration of the original motion made by the
delegates of Virginia, which being again debated through the day, was
carried in the affirmative by the votes of N. Hampshire, Connecticut,
Massachusetts, Rhode Island, N. Jersey, Maryland, Virginia, N. Carolina, &
Georgia. S. Carolina and Pennsylvania voted against it. Delaware having
but two members present, they were divided."

And finally;


"The debates having taken up the greater parts of the 2d 3d & 4th days of
July were, in the evening of the last, closed the declaration was reported
by the committee, agreed to by the house and signed by every member
present except Mr. Dickinson. As the sentiments of men are known not only
by what they receive, but what they reject also, I will state the form of
the declaration as originally reported."

 WD> it took quite a while before the signatures were there

It took quite a while to decide on the version, but as soon as it was
decided, it was signed by everyone present, save one...

 WD>  which are now on it. A lot of it occured "underground" and some

Hardly...what may have been discussed in private was a different story.

 WD> of the signatories met an untimely end becuase of their signature.

As would anyone who was caught by the British.

 WD> Do not believe one second the paintings showing many people
 WD> officially signing the document in a ceremony.

We dont  have to, we have Thomas Jefferson's word for it...which I'll take
over and above yours, anytime.

 WD>  That is a falsification of American history.

No, yours is the falsification...Thomas Jeffereson was there and relayed
the proceedings very well in his autobiography. FYI, Thomas Jefferson is
known as the author of the Declaration of Independance.

                R\%/itt



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