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Skriven 2008-03-11 09:24:35 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
     Kommentar till en text av Jeff Bowman
Ärende: Re: Bush Vetoes Waterboarding Bill
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Jeff,
 
JB> The middle east is a good example.  They hate us for interfering in their
JB> countries and want us out.  Yet at the same time, when bad things go down
JB> between them and their neighbors, they blame us again for not coming to
JB> help them and letting people die.
 
Don't suffer of the over-inflated ego that some of your countrymen have.
 
1) The USA did a pretty good job in WW2 in coming to the rescue for the fight
   against the Nazis. However, that war started in 1939, something which many
   of your countrymen ignore, and not on December 7th 1941.
   Basically the US got involved when the fighting had been going on for 2.5
   years and not before its own interests were at stake. So it was not just
   "Let's go save those poor Euros".
2) Were the US invited into the Middle East? Nope. If you enter somewhere
   uninvited with brute force, then there's a certain word to describe that.
3) I was just reading about the price of Iraq. The people there figured that
   Iraq with its oil-reserves would be turned into another Gulf state with
   instant prosperity. Instead, after 5 years of war, followed by civil war,
   the Iraqi civilian body count stands at appr. 1 million. Which means that
   since the "liberation" 1/25th or 4% of the population perished in violent
   conditions. Just having the wrong name in the wrong part of town is a
   death sentence. The news talks about suicide bombings, but there is no
   talk about the corpses found in the streets every morning.
   1 million Iraqis dead meaning every single family has been touched by this
   and you want them to feel happy about it? It's not that these people were
   killed by Americans, but without an illegal invasion the majority of this
   1 million would still be alive.
4) Near 4,000 young American men and women killed. Was that a fair price?
5) The US economy down the drain. Was that a fair price? All the homeless in
   the US could have been given a house, Malaria could have been wiped-out
   worldwide, hospitals could have been built, all budget requirements for
   AIDS-research could have been met and I could go on screens and screens
   like that.
   Only Halliburton profitted ... are you still proud?
 
But if you're so braindead you refuse to read all that or you're so impressed
by the patriotic erection you get when seeing an American flag, then please
wonder why:
 
1) The US do not interfere in Myanmar, the country in the world with the
   worst human-rights record. If toppling dictators and installing democracy
   is really the #1 issue, then Myanmar should have been stop #1.
2) The US did not intervene in Portugal which for years has been a dictator-
   ship under Salazar with blatant human right violations?
3) The US did not intervene in Spain to topple the Franco-dictatorship
4) The US did not intervene in Greece to topple the colonels' junta?
 
But the really most intriguing question, if human rights and dictators are
really the issue, is why the US are not invading Saudi Arabia?
 
JB> People also have to realize that America is really the only country large
JB> enough and still financially capable of dealing with these sorts of
JB> situations.
 
Actually, the US are _not_ financially capable anymore and are borrowing
themselves to death in order to sustain the effort. As a result the country
suffers ... "You, The People, ...." ...  suffer. Your economy is strained to
the limit by this war and I don't understand why people don't massively revolt
and call for a revolution.
 
JB> I mean, Britain is probably one of our
JB> best allies, but look at how small they are compared to us.  If we're
JB> getting our butts kicked in Iraq with all the military might we have,
JB> they wouldn't have a chance by themselves.
 
A) You _ARE_ getting your butt kicked in Iraq. As a repeat, a conventional
foreign army cannot win against a guerilla movement fighting on its own soil.
At one point you may think you have conquered them, but you haven't. The North
American indians are still not beaten and eventually one way or the other they
will prevail, nomatter how many Leonard Peltiers are thrown into jail innocent;
 
B) The Brits would never be as stupid to invade a country just like that. They
went along in Iraq and they could have done a lot more, but their participation
was limited to what Blair could politically afford.
 
C) The Brits were the last country to go half way around the world with a
military force, slap the Argentinans left and right around the ears at the
Falklands and return victoriously.
 
JB> So it's kind of disappointing that America has to be in the position of
JB> helping people, but also taking the blame for everything at the same
JB> time.
 
America could be in a lot better shape and play a lot more prominent role with
a different leadership.
 
Us Europeans have been predicting drama ever since Bush Junior announced his
intentions to run in 1999. We were laughed away.
 
We have warned not to get involved in the Middle East. The Brits have been a
longtime occupier of that area and eventually withdrew. The Russians fought a
full-scale war in Afghanistan, perhaps you are unaware how full-scale it was,
with hundreds of thousands of troops and could not win. You (=the USA) laughed
us away, a few Tomahawks would take care of all the trouble...
 
Let me tell you now ... the war in Afghanistan ... yes, a "war" in
"Afghanistan" ... is not over and will be lost by the Americans and its allies
(that includes my own country). In 10 years from now the Taliban will be back
in power, as it is they control the country anyway save some larger cities.
 
The same will happen in Iraq. You (=the USA) will pull-out for whatever excuse
is appropriate and after that a sectarian civil war will erupt. In the end Iraq
will become a fundamentalist country under a cleric rule.
 
Well done ... all these countries will have been handed over to clerics, to
sectarian violence and you (=the USA) will safely withdraw behind a 2,000 mile
ocean saying you liberated them all. Fox will record it and everybody overthere
will believe it.
 
That, my friend, is how I percieve it.
 
 \%/@rd

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