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Skriven 2008-03-17 17:56:46 av Jeff Bowman (1:229/500)
  Kommentar till text 13039 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
Ärende: Re: Bush Vetoes Waterboarding Bill
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RW> Just as I disagree that any of the *BCs are worth their salt. They
RW> corrupt their news with their own personal opinions. Something that
RW> riles me to no end.
 
I used to watch CBS evening news actually, until Katie Couric took it over.
Many will say CBS is a joke, for "forging" those Killian documents and all that
junk.  Many believe, and continue to say, they've been proven as forgeries,
when in fact, they've never actually been officially proven false to this day,
to my knowledge.  They simply have never been proven true.
 
I hope Dan Rather's lawsuit against CBS for getting rid of him over it pays off
for him.  I always felt he was a good news man, and deserved better than to
leave under such shameful circumstances.
 
 
RW>JB> And O'Reilly is infamous for cutting off mics and trying to
RW>JB> intimidate people who he doesn't agree with, right there on his show
RW>JB> for all to see.
 
RW> I've watched O'Reilly for ten years and have never seen that happen.
RW> Somebody is pulling your leg if you think that is true.
 
Then apparently you've missed all the times he's done so.  O'Reilly is a bully.
 When somebody says something he doesn't agree with, he tells them to shut up
(literally).  He cuts mics.  He yells at guests.  He tells outright falsehoods
and incorrect information and refuses to admit it later even when called out on
it by viewers.  They rewrite transcripts to remove things that make them look
wrong.  I'm not just making this up to make him look bad.  I wish I were!
 
Just some examples of bullying + "shut up" + mic cuts, if you're interested in
seeing it:
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vTkFU4MtubU
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NxMidi2TofY
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yDpIAqfWR2g
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3BAFb97L3KU
 
Here's a particularly big example in my opinion of O'Reilly getting things
seriously wrong and never admitting it, in this case placing Nazi war crimes on
American solders:
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=d0aAVifJqDE
 
That's an Olbermann clip, mind you, but I very much recommend watching all of
it regardless of your possible opinion of him, since the clips from O'Reilly's
show are all there.
 
 
RW>JB> I don't see ex-employees, internal memos, or a lot of visible
RW>JB> evidence showing heavy liberal bias for any of those networks.
 
RW> Wanna bet?
 
I would in fact look at anything you could provide to show the same sort of
documented bias with networks like CNN as there's been with Fox.
 
 
RW> MSNBC is the worst cable news channel out there.
 
I don't actually watch it, I just feel like the degree of magnitude between the
programs they air is something to notice in cases when bias is accused.
 
 
RW> A Gallup Poll summed up Fox News this way. 'There is little difference in
RW> the self-reportd use of cable news by partisanship. There has been a good
RW> deal of focus on what is perceived to be a conservative orientation of
RW> the Fox News Channel, but ... we are not able to distinguish any
RW> partisan differeneces in the use of the specific cable news channels.'
 
It's just as easy for them to say that though as it is for you, because it
comes down to opinion in large part.  People like myself do see heavy bias.
Nobody is persuading me to think that way.  I watch the clips, and sometimes
the channel, enough to think it on my own.
 
I used to actually watch Fox News all the time, as a matter of fact.  All the
flashy graphics probably helped draw me in, compared to the more drab
appearance of CNN.  It was during the 2004 election that I started to truly
notice things myself that seemed odd compared to the other channels' coverage,
like giving credit of one state to Bush way before the other channels would
confirm it.  I was naive enough back then to not assume any news channel would
have political bias.  From that point on, I learned otherwise.
 
 
RW> Recently Gallup asked this question. "Do you think news organizations get
RW> the facts straight, or do you think that their stories and reports are
RW> often inaccurate?"
 
RW> An astounding 58% of Americans answered that they believed the news
RW> delivered to them was often flat out wrong.
 
Wrong, and intentionally wrong, are a different story.  I know sometimes they
(a in everyone) do get it wrong.  But the majority of news channels likely
report things accurately.  It's what they choose to report, or how to report
it, where much of the bias tends to come in.
 
As for polls in general, you can get pretty much whatever answer you want
depending on how you ask, as this pretty much sums up my opinion of:
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pFL-LubDF9c
 
 
RW>JB> Some of the more recent examples are completely disregarding people
RW>JB> like Ron Paul,
 
RW> Why not disregard him...he's an also ran, just like AlGore.
 
He deserved just as much time as anyone else.  Just like Mike Gravel and
Kucinich on the other side.  The way all media (debates in particular) focused
on certain candidates is dirty pool.
 
 
RW> Actually, I always thought he verged on the edge of insanity.
 
I just think he has ideas that the established parties don't like to hear. Not
that I'd have necessarily ever voted for him, but I did like to hear what he
had to say.  More importantly, I felt candidates like himself and the two Dems
I mentioned helped keep the forerunners honest, since they'd call them out on
bullshit.
 
 
RW> As well he should. He's not the conservative he says he is.
 
Most elected Republicans these days aren't anyway.
 
 
RW> That's the Reverend Jeremiah Wright Jr's fault...if you go to that church
RW> for 20 years and hear that man's insanity, don't you think you'd be
RW> influenced by it? You can't listen to that kind of hatered and not form
RW> some kind of opinion and deny it while still attending those services.
 
Full agreement here, I already mentioned this in another post.  I don't know
how much influence it had on him, but as both you and I seem to agree, you
don't go to someone's church for 20+ years if you dislike what they have to
say.
 
 
RW>JB> There have been so many documented accounts of Fox News mistruths
RW>JB> and bias that I honestly can't see how someone could have missed
RW>JB> them.
 
RW> If you listen to those who claim that, they either have something to
RW> hide or be ashamed of...
 
I've seen it myself, combined with all the claims from others, documentaries
like "Outfoxed", etc, which all reinforces my opinion.

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