Text 1339, 89 rader
Skriven 2007-05-08 15:39:30 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
   Kommentar till text 1119 av Matt Bedynek (1:106/1)
Ärende: mark lewis
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Hello Matt!

06 May 07 23:29, you wrote to me:

 RC>> If you feel I shouldnt be jumping on Herman for his forgery,
 RC>> shouldnt you be jumping on Herman for giving Roy's messages the
 RC>> time of day?

 MB> You should either jump on both or none.  At least that is how I see
 MB> it.   That is the root of the problem I see these days.  People take
 MB> literally the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". When
 MB> someone engages in a negative act against someone you are at odds
 MB> with, what do you do?

The point is, we all know why Roy was/is doing it, it was to get a rise out of
them. You know it. Felten, Dossche, VdV and others knew it, question remains is
why didnt Herman know it? When Herman started reacting, Roy focussed his stuff
on Herman and it went on from there. Its nothing we have not seen before.

 RC>> You cant take Roy's entire colorful past and indict him with it,
 RC>> while at the same time using it to acquit Herman.

 MB> I did not acquit herman at all.  I know you will say I am trying to
 MB> appear "righteous" or wise but I think both thier actions including
 MB> the actions of many sysops in many zones should have been delt with by
 MB> having a vacation or feed cuts.  But, then again, it appears I am
 MB> completely alone in this. Unlike most of my contempraries, I could
 MB> careless about keeping people happy.  If someone whom I believe is on
 MB> good terms with me wants to sever a link or hate me because I call
 MB> them out on inappropriate behavior then so be it.  If they cannot
 MB> respect my take on their actions in a professional and courteous
 MB> manner then perhaps we were never on good terms to start.

The way to handle Roy has generally been to ignore him when he has set his
sights on you, good grief, VdV once told me this when I was inside those
crosshairs. Now obviously many of the z2 personalities know this because they
put it into practice, again, except for Herman.

 RC>> In context, Roys moderator postings had no ill effects on no one
 RC>> but Herman.

 RC>> Go back and look.

 RC>> Dont blame Roy for Feltens unwillingness to moderate him, Felten
 RC>> wont dare approach Roy's uplink, so what do you expect me to do
 RC>> about it?

 MB> Any attempt to moderate a zone 1 node will be met with zero
 MB> cooperation by majority of the active Z1 players.  Where would you
 MB> stand if approached for help?  Be honest.

I feed Felten this echo in addition to FN_SYSOP and a couple others, he only
needs to send a netmail.

Since this is mostly about Roy, I am not Roy's uplink, Dale Ross is for which I
am Dale's uplink. I will not cut Dale just to cut Roy.

**NOTE**

Dale Ross is not into Fido these days, his interests are into high school
sports etc, It is safe to say that Dale has no interest in Fido squabbles or
its politics, he stays running because of those in his net and those he feeds
mail to, its also safe to say that when they go, so will he.

You may recall I was his biggest detractor way back when, eventually he and I
moved on and got past that. Felten needs to as well, his beef with him was
manufactured based on information Quarrella fed to him.

Shannon passed on the moderatorship of this echo to me yesterday and while I am
not going to engage in a pissing contest over whether or not I really am or
not, I will function in that capacity, the echoes tradition is embraced by some
in here, fn_sysops tradition is rejected. So as far as tradition goes, its out
the window.

Having said that, going forward, for I am not going to moderate for stuff that
happened before yesterday, if Roy needs a feedcut or other actions, I'll take
that up with him and his uplink if necessary.

As for FN_SYSOP, Felten has demonstrated a unwillingness to deal with anything,
therefore I cannot answer your question as it would pertain to that echo, until
Felten decides to be what he says he is, we will never know.

==
Ross
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