Text 13441, 47 rader
Skriven 2008-03-24 11:24:23 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 13430 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Thought crime...again
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Hello Robert,

On Monday March 24 2008 08:02, you wrote to Jeff Bowman:

 JB>> I honestly don't see what's wrong with this by European views. We
 JB>> catch a lot of obvious lawbreakers with these methods.  The
 JB>> criminal initiated the illegal behavior.  Why is it so wrong,
 JB>> exactly?

 RB> What's bothering a few (not all) Europeans here is the technicality
 RB> that the contact was made in Europe

That is not a technicality Bob.

What is bothering me is that a US cop bothers a Swedish national who is in
Sweden and has not acted against Swedish law.

That may be allowed by US law, but that does not change the fact that from this
side of the pond it is perceived as a breach if sovereignty.

 RB> Some also don't understand the "honeypot" method of attracting
 RB> malicious (programs, persons, etc), where you simply set up something
 RB> attractive for your target group - say child porn fans in this case -
 RB> and wait for them to be drawn to it.

I understand it very well. Don't take  candy from strangers is what my mother
taught me.

Its use by law enforcement is illegal in The Netherlands. As it ius in Sweden
as I understand.

 RB> In fact, this is actually done in Germany, and there have been a
 RB> couple of nationwide raids as a result.

That does not make it legal in The Netherlands or in Sweden.

 RB> The point is that nobody's perfect and justice systems everywhere are
 RB> open to criticism at one point or another. And that if you don't want
 RB> to be subject to the laws of a country, be they draconian or illogical
 RB> or unfair as hell - then don't go to the country, dammit!

One of the reasons I will never accept an invitation to go the US.

Cheers, Michiel

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