Text 14452, 52 rader
Skriven 2008-04-24 00:43:17 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 14391 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
Ärende: Thought crime...again
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Hello Jeff,

On Tuesday April 22 2008 23:52, you wrote to me:

 MV>> That was not the question.

 JS>      I understand the question. It's just that your hypothetical
 JS> scenario is so unrealistic.

That is what I thought too when I first heard about the Menno Blom case. I
would nevefr have believed it to be possible to be sent to jail for something
that is not against he law in the country where you did it and if in the
country wher you land you did not actually DO anything but meet a policeman in
the lobby of a hotel. But it seems I was wrong...

 JS> You structure it so you can get only the result that you want. As
 JS> unrealistic as the result may be.

Exactly what happened in the Blom case. The structure was is up to get people
who (attempt to) chat with minors about sex in jail. Irrespective of where they
reside and irespective of whether that is legal or not in the country where
they reside. Once you are in the trapo there is no escape as that is how it is
set up and that is what it accomplishes.

So why can another country - e.g. The Netherlands - set up a similar system to
trap and imprison people that own guns? No matter where they reside and no
matter wat the law in their country says? Why is that any less realistic than
the system the US set upo to entrap people wno chat with minors about sex on
the InterNet?

 JS>     So you think that Australia is a police state? I'm sure glad the
 JS> US isn't like that. <g>

I do not think Australia is a police stae. I think the US is though...

 JS>>> They can make any law they choose but their jurisdiction ends at
 JS>>> their border. Just as our jurisdiction ends at ours.

 MV>> That is not how it looks from this end.

 JS>      Then I would suggest that you take off those glasses. They are
 JS> affecting your ability to see clearly.

I think you are the one unable to see. Have you actually ever been outside the
US or is all this talk about being subject to the laws of another counttry just
theory for you?


Cheers, Michiel

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