Text 15385, 74 rader
Skriven 2008-05-15 11:31:16 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 15348 av Bob Ackley (1:300/3)
Ärende: Unrest in France
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14 May 08 07:41, Bob Ackley wrote to Roy Witt:

 BA>>> I will not go *near* an airport, let alone into one.  And TSA has
 BA>>> extended its mandate to include some (and before too long all)
 BA>>> railroad terminals and bus terminals (and eventually checkpoints at
 BA>>> every road that crosses a state line).

 RW>> BS*

 BA> Well, TSA hasn't yet got around to stationing its thugs in bus
 BA> terminals or at checkpoints on state borders,

I ran into a guy in the El Paso, TX Greyhound bus terminal that would have
been a great replacement for 'Deputy Barney Fife' the gung ho deputy on
the Andy Griffen Show.. This was c2003. With assholes like him, they don't
need any TSA/HLS agents on the borders.

 BA> but it most certainly has them at airports and some AMTRAK terminals.

And frankly, I would welcome the sight of such people there. (if I were a
traveler on those modes of transportation)

 RB>>>> Stuff like that is never out in the open. Lokk at how long it took
 RB>>>> for the secret, unauthorized wiretaps to become public.

 BA>>> That gestapo isn't doing that *yet*.  But INS *can* stop anybody it
 BA>>> wants, any time it wants, anyplace it wants and demand proof of
 BA>>> citizenship.

 RW>> That would be a hard row to hoe. Nobody carries the proof that Bashe
 RW>> or you're thinking of. A state issued driver's license is as close
 RW>> as they'll find.

 BA> In my case they'll also find a (retired) military ID.  But neither a
 BA> driver's license nor a military ID is proof of citizenship.

As of last year. However, many states are now including that info on their
enhanced drivers licenses. Before that, the border patrol would take your
word for it.

 BA> There was quite a discussion in POLITICS on this very subject about
 BA> 10-15 years ago, one participant was - or at least said he was - an
 BA> INS agent.

I've crossed the border at San Ysidro, CA and Tijuana, MX enough times to
know that he wasn't telling you the entire story. Every time I crossed
that border, upon re-entry, I showed the agent my driver's license and
verbally answered his question of 'where were you born?'...they waved you
through the gate after they asked if you were bringing more than $100
worth of stuff bought in Mexico. If you had more than $100 worth, they
showed you to the duty collection line.

 BA>>> Several years ago INS did grab a 15 year old HS student out of
 BA>>> class and shipped him to Mexico with just the clothes on his back,
 BA>>> no money, and would not allow him to call anybody for help.

 RW>> That's hard to believe. First of all, if he's 15yo, he's a minor and
 RW>> will be held in detention until somebody claims him.

 BA> Nope.  INS shipped him to, IIRC, Laredo and escorted him across the
 BA> border. No money, no relatives there, in point of fact he'd lived
 BA> most of his life in Omaha. This about 15 years ago.

He must have done something out of the ordinary if that's true. The INS
didn't bother with migrants unless they caused trouble. Today of course,
with the advent of more stringent enforcement policies, they take the time
to bother.

                R\%/itt



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