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Skriven 2008-05-28 00:51:36 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 16254 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Casus belli
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Hello Bob,

On Tuesday May 27 2008 13:05, you wrote to me:

 RB>>> I disagree, since the problems are not of our making.

 MV>> Oh, but they _are_ in part of our making. Do you really feel it
 MV>> was ok to just take the land of the Palestines to found the state
 MV>> of Israel?

 RB> First we were talking about oil

No, I was talking about we westerners inruding on their, the Arabs, territory.
Then *you* hauled in the oil.

 RB>  and now you haul in Israel.

I simply return to what I originally brought in: we westerners intruding on
their territory.

 RB> If you look hard enough and are inventive enough, the west is
 RB> presumably responsible for _all_ the ills of this world.

The west has dominated the world for a long time and hence _is_ responsible for
graet many things in this world.

 RB> I figure if you want an enemy, it's not hard to find one in this
 RB> world, regardless of who you are.

The sad truth is that the west has made a lot of enemies over the years.

 MV>> Anyway, what we are doing now is not working.

 RB> Indeed. You can't talk to mindless fanatics.

How do you know they can not be talked to, if you flayly refuse to talk to
them?

 RB> The best thing is to isolate them if you cant eliminate them
 RB> altogether.

Too late to isolate them, we have meddled too much and too long, and we can not
eliminate them either.

 RB> There's a "nice" little article in the newest SPIEGEL about so-called
 RB> "honor murders", where a brother or father decides they don't like the
 RB> sister or daughter going out with a German, or not wearing a headscarf
 RB> or something of the kind, and simply knife, strangle or shoot her to
 RB> demonstrate their "honor".

"Eerwraak". Yes we have that here too. Of course it can not be tolerated. When
they are here in our country they have to obey our rules. It has nothing to do
with us intruding on *their* territory however.

 RB> That's the kind of people I'm talking about,

It has been part of their culture fo centuries....

 RB> and my attitude is to jail them for 10 years and then deport them back
 RB> to where they came from, with NO return ticket to Europe.

How is that going to help solve the Palestinian problem?

 RB> Another possibility might be to give a few woman weapons, strip such
 RB> "honorable" men naked and leave them together in a locked room for a
 RB> few minutes. But that would probably be too brutal for our European
 RB> sensibilities, although the poetic justice appeals to me.

It does not appeal to me. It wold be stooping to their level and by that we
have already lost.

Cheers, Michiel

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