Text 1722, 85 rader
Skriven 2007-05-20 13:37:00 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
   Kommentar till text 1721 av Björn Felten (2:203/2)
Ärende: This Echo
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Hello Björn!

20 May 07 17:35, you wrote to me:

 RC>> Uh your server masacred your umlaut!!..  :)

 BF>    Ouch, tell me about it. :(

 BF>    My experiments with UTF-8 seems to have almost rendered my JamNNTPd
 BF> server useless. I get all kinds of mysterious errors here, and Johan
 BF> is not to be seen anywhere, to help me out.

Good thing we have you to be the guinea pig, I didnt implement that on my
server, for the time being, I wont.. :)

 RC>> It is easier to self-deprecate than to put up with someone else
 RC>> outside ones demographic stating the same thing.. Think of it
 RC>> this way, its easier for a fat person to make fun of himself as
 RC>> opposed to others making fun of him.

 BF>    You are right. Another good example would be what make of car you
 BF> own -- well, I guess you know what the discussions about something
 BF> like that will end up in? At least amongst men... :)

yup

 BF>    But it's also very typical for many zone 1 participants never to
 BF> accept any form of criticism on anything they represent. Between "wall
 BF> and skål" as we use to say in Sweden (albeit in other words) they
 BF> accept it, but when someone from outside says anything remotely
 BF> critical they gang up like European football houligans against the
 BF> "intruder".

those hooligans from what I read on them, gang up on everyone, "it's their job,
it's what they do". They are equal opportunity trouble makers.

:)

 BF>    I think this is the major problem that is causing all those stupid
 BF> zone wars we've seen in fidonet for about half a decade now.

Cultural clash.

 RC>> I think the biggest dismay we had over here Björn was your
 RC>> tendency to bring up the topic, as often as you would, and in
 RC>> many cases it was from out of the blue, not attached to any
 RC>> ongoing message thread.

 RC>> Does this make any sense to you?

 BF>    In a way, yes. But I find it hard to accept that a few hard-liners
 BF> all the time try to tell the rest of the world that it's "my way or no
 BF> way". Fidonet is so much about mutual understanding across the
 BF> borders, that are 100% political anyway, I get very disappointed when
 BF> I see so many fidonetters that deliberately chooses to dismiss this
 BF> powerful tool we have in fidonet.

I think had there not been a 9-11, some of us, myself included, would not be so
sensitive to criticism coming from outside.

I remember the discussions coming from several in z2, "it was your foreign
policy, that is why they attacked you". I am sitting here thinking, okay, thats
a theory, now how does that change what happened?

As you know, it de-evolved from there.

I know many of you dislike the current administration over here, but let us be
real, we can never ever elect someone everyone will like, you might find
yourself disliking the next one worse than you do the current one and the next
one might not be a conservative.. :)

I am sure you, Ward, Herman and Michiel, will agree that your respective PM's
arent 100% liked either from within or outside your countries, but he or she is
what you have until the next scheduled election or no-confidence vote.

Back in 1992, when we elected The Clinton, I got over it.. Now I just hope we
dont make the same mistake in 08 by electing his boss lady.

==
Ross
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