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Skriven 2008-07-27 11:26:42 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
  Kommentar till text 18996 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: World Court "Orders"
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Hello Michiel!

26 Jul 08 20:17, you wrote to Robert Bashe:

 RB>> Is there any real reason criminals should be treated better than
 RB>> their victims?

A good question and your answer is quite telling..

 MV> Yes there is. "Just" is in the eye of the beholder. It will never be
 MV> enough in the eye of the victim's relatives. They will not be
 MV> satisfied with an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, they will
 MV> demand an eye AND a tooth.

What you are saying is that if someone comes in and brutally murders one of
your family members, they should receive better treatment than what they
afforded their victim?

 MV> And then the relatives of the punished - who of course will take the
 MV> POV thet he/she was the victim of a witch hunt - will demand two eyes
 MV> and three teeth. And before you know, it you have another vendetta
 MV> going.

The relatives of the punished?

Only worry about them if the person being punished is really innocent.

Until then, everyone whom commits a criminal act is responsible for that act,
not the god damn victim.

 MV> What do you think would be "just" punishment for a child molester?
 MV> That you get to molest his child?

Society takes whatever steps to insure the person doesnt commit the act again?

That could include:

Long Jail Terms, depending on the nature of the crime, number of victims.

Death Penalty if victim(s) lost life.

Chemical or physical castration.

There are sex offender registries, and laws that prohibit those on this list
from being within a given distance where children are, like playgrounds and
schools. However being on this list does assign a certain amount of guilt to
one if a person happens to be molested or accosted within the listed offenders
area. In this case it probably encourages the Police to look less deeply. But
sex offenders are more likely to relapse than most other criminal types.

I could add in curing the offender, but who cures the victims?

 MV> Punishment is just another word for revenge and revenge never led
 MV> anywhere.

Dont associate justice with revenge or vigilantism.

A criminal charged with a crime already has more rights than the victim,
starting from the point the crime was committed.

A citizen of any society has a right to /not/ be molested, robbed or murdered,
but you beg to differ.

I will concede that society should take every step to make sure no one gets
railroaded in the pursuit of justice, but the guilty should not be recused of
any responsibility for their acts.

I understand that you live in and come from a society that is very tolerant of
many things, but I fail to see why you would express a tolerance for crime?

==
Ross
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