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Skriven 2008-09-17 08:51:16 av shannon talley (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av Ross Cassell
Ärende: Re: Things Change
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Hi Ross,

> st> they find work, TANF helps provide emergency needs to families who
> st> need them  -- etc.  I'm certain you aren't suggesting that we do away
> st> with these programs.
> I do if they are derived from wealth redistribution.

Taxes...

> I do if people on it, continue to have children.

I have an issue with this one; I believe in a free country, and I do not 
agree with the government telling people whether or not they may have 
children.

> I would rather welfare be along the lines of people not being handed any 
> real
> money to be spent discretionary, but rather something that picks up the 
> tab on
> the needs, not the wants.

Food Stamps: Distribution methods differ from state to state.  In Texas, 
it's interesting how the food stamp program works.  One is provided a debit 
card of sorts that can only be used at a grocery store.  Once one stacks 
their basket and is standing at the check out line, items are passed over 
the scanner.  Only "VALID" items are allowed to be charged to the food stamp 
debit card.  Paper products, ready-to-eat meals, along with alcohol, tobacco 
and a dozen other products are not charged to that card.

Unemployment: Similar, the recipient is provided a debit card, but they are 
given discretion on what to spend it on.  Who's to say what they can and 
can't spend it on?  Most use it to pay for cost of living expenses.  I'm 
sure a few splurge it on other items, but it's temporary; unemployment has 
limits in both amount and distribution.  If one is out of work long enough, 
the benifits are depleated.

TANF: Requires even more proof of hardship; i.e. copies of bills, proof of 
income, ect.  It's provided on a case-by-case basis with a case worker.

Anytime there is a hand-out, someone will figure out how to take advantage 
of it, but I do not propose doing away with real programs that really do 
help people.

> st> You might (and I'm impressed you don't swallow their entire doctrine),
> st> but the GOP doesn't think that way... "ZERO TOLERANCE".
> Zero tolerance isnt a mantra that only the "right" adheres to.
> Zero tolerance in many aspects of the law came about after having years 
> and
> years of softer laws.
> What is society to do if the original laws and penalties no longer deter?

Get them off the books!  It's that simple....    There are thousands of laws 
on the books which are NOT prosecuted or even ticketed.  If we took that 
stance with every law we have in every community, in every state in the 
United States, we would be in very sorry shape.  Just take a look at 
www.bored.com/crazylaws for examples in nearly every state in the United 
States.  Take Cannabis as an example. Why is it illegal?  I'm still waiting 
for a "valid" answer for that one from congress (not from you, I have no 
idea what your take is on it).

> st> Let's give him a chance... At least it won't be the "same old same
> st> old".
> Again crackpot propoganda..

Propoganda?  Our last two terms has produced a republican, and if McCain is 
elected, we'll continue to have a Republican in office.  Republican + 
Republican = Same-old, Same-old.

> If Al Gore had succeeded Bill Clinton, do you really think it would have 
> been
> the same ole same ole?

Pretty much, 'yes'.... :)

Shannon 

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