Text 21889, 120 rader
Skriven 2008-10-14 20:32:16 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
  Kommentar till text 21888 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Socialism in the US of A
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Hello Michiel!

15 Oct 08 00:51, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

 LL>> Had the USA not intervened, Nazi Germany would have remained
 LL>> firmly in control of Western Europe, as well as in Eastern
 LL>> Europe,

 MV> The Nazis would have lost no matter what. By 1942 they had run out of
 MV> resources needed to complete it.

But this question is still begged:

How much worse would the holocaust have been?

How many more civilians would have lost?

D-Day and the days and battles that followed proved decisive in Germany's
defeat by giving it 2 fronts it could not withstand. The USA only played a
teensy eensy role, I know..

 LL>> Historically there has always been a dominant power.  Whether it
 LL>> be the Persians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Spanish, the French,
 LL>> the British, or the Americans, there has always been a dominant
 LL>> power.

 MV> The Persians, the Greek and the Romans never ruled the world. Their
 MV> influence did not exend beyond Europe, Northern Africa and The Middle
 MV> East. The Spanish end the French (and the Portugese and the Dutch)
 MV> were formidable powers, but they never were a dominant power. There
 MV> always were several players on the field and no one was stronger than
 MV> all the others together. Until the end of the cold war...

Britain would disagree.

 LL>> Tomorrow it might be the Chinese who rule the world.  Or some
 LL>> other great power that has not yet risen.  But a dominant power
 LL>> there is, and will be.  It may not be the same dominant power
 LL>> that rules forever, but there will always be a dominant power.

 MV> I should hope not. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts
 MV> absolutely.

The next one will be China.

Is the world prepared to abandon Taiwan?

 MVDV>>> And if so why would it =have to be the USA.

 LL>> Because, as the late Freddie Mercury said, WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!

 MV> Freddie Mercury was British.... (Born in Zanzibar)

My boy Lee didnt cite his nationality, only words uttered in song.

 MVDV>>> They did not do all that well did they?

 LL>> Did well enough to free Europe from itself - twice.

 MV> No, they didn't. That is what you may have been taught in school, but
 MV> that claim does not stand up to scrutiny.

Well the Dutch sure as hell didnt do it..

I have a few Aunts whom would beg to differ with you as they toiled in their
early adult years (ww2) in bullet factories in and around Gary Indiana and
Chicago Il.

But why did Europe have to be freed from itself twice, regardless of the USA?

Oh and we didnt ratify the Versailles treaty, try again.

and then since you all had your treaty, why didnt you enforce it?

Should I call you Neville?

 LL>> Did well enough to ensure the freedom for many other countries as
 LL>> well.

 MV> Name three....

Belgium, Nederlands and Sweden.

 MVDV>>> Russia *is* part of Europe....

 LL>> Russia has never been accepted by Europeans as being part of
 LL>> Europe.

 MV> You do not know much about Europe. p until the Revolution Russia was
 MV> fully accepted as belonging to the European culture. Trade between
 MV> Russia and the rest of Europe was flourishing and there are lots of
 MV> traces opf Russian influence to be found all over the place.

You might recall the great revolution occurred in the midst of your first great
war, you know the one sparked by royalty worshipping?

 MVDV>>> Chine does no need any alliances, they are big enough by
 MVDV>>> themselves.

 LL>> China has a lot of people. But so does India. Just because a
 LL>> country has a lot of people does not make it a superpower, much
 LL>> less an empire.

 MV> No, but if they get their economies going they will simply *buy* the
 MV> US. Looks like they are already doing that...

They own us..

They wont call on any notes so long as we continue to import from them.

Of course the catch-22, they more they modernize, it might mean higher wages
for their people, then their stuff wont be cheap anymore.

==
Ross
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