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Skriven 2008-10-15 11:47:24 av Lee Lofaso (3:800/432.0)
  Kommentar till text 21888 av Michiel Van Der Vlist (2:280/5555)
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>LL>Tomorrow it might be the Chinese who rule the world.  Or some other
>LL>great power that has not yet risen.  But a dominant power there is,
>LL>and will be.  It may not be the same dominant power that rules
>LL>forever, but there will always be a dominant power.

MVDV>I should hope not. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Power corrupts all politicians, regardless of ideology.

>MVDV>And if so why would it =have to be the USA.

>LL>Because, as the late Freddie Mercury said, WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!

MVDV>Freddie Mercury was British.... (Born in Zanzibar)

It is not where he was from, but what he said.

>MVDV>They did not do all that well did they?

>LL>Did well enough to free Europe from itself - twice.

MVDV>No, they didn't. That is what you may have been taught in
MVDV>school, but that claim does not stand up to scrutiny.

Actually, it does.  Had the British not received help from the USA,
Nazi Germany would have succeeded in conquering the British Isles.
Had the French not received help from the USA, Nazi Germany would
have remained firmly in control of France through their Vichy puppets.
Had the Soviets not received help from the USA, Nazi Germany would
have succeeded in their mad conquest of the world.

>LL>Did well enough to ensure the freedom for many other countries as
>LL>well.

MVDV>Name three....

All of Europe, both East and West.

>LL>Would it be an expansionist Russia hoping to make Europe part of
>LL>its new empire?

>MVDV>Russia *is* part of Europe....

>LL>Russia has never been accepted by Europeans as being part of Europe.

MVDV>You do not know much about Europe. p until the Revolution
MVDV>Russia was fully accepted as belonging to the European
MVDV>culture. Trade between Russia and the rest of Europe was
MVDV>flourishing and there are lots of traces opf Russian
MVDV>influence to be found all over the place.

Poland did not take too kindly of the Russians eliminating Poland.
Hungary did not take too kindly of the Russians invading Hungary.
Germany did not take too kindly of the Russians partitioning Germany.
I can go on.

>MVDV>Chine does no need any alliances, they are big enough by
>MVDV>themselves.

>LL>China has a lot of people. But so does India. Just because a country
>LL>has a lot of people does not make it a superpower, much less an
>LL>empire.

MVDV>No, but if they get their economies going they will simply
MVDV>*buy* the US. Looks like they are already doing that...

Well, the Japanese are buying up golf courses in Hawaii...

>LL>Israel will be the new empire, the Jews owning all the banks.

>MVDV>Banks? Surely you are joking? Look at what is happening to the
>MVDV>banks. The bankers have disqalified themselves for bridge duty. Th
>MVDV>won't be let near the helm for the next half of a century.

>LL>The Bush wants to nationalize the banks (or at least some of them).

MVDV>Yeah, so much for capitalism classic style.

Cesspool Capitalism went the way of the dinosaur a century ago.
Bringing it back would not be a step forward.  The Bush's plan is
not really to nationalize the banks, but rather to allow bankers
to buy back their banks at reduced prices, with taxpayer dollars.

>LL>Europe is sure to follow the Bush's lead.

MVDV>Not quite...

It will be a new Bretton-Woods.

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