Text 21941, 102 rader
Skriven 2008-10-15 19:28:22 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
  Kommentar till text 21940 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Socialism in the US of A
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Hello Michiel!

16 Oct 08 00:06, you wrote to me:

 RC>> The next one will be China.

 MV> Maybe. How is your Chinese?

Ah-so , ah-so..

 RC>> Is the world prepared to abandon Taiwan?

 MV> Eh..  What an odd question. Abandonning implies accepting that it
 MV> disappears or is left behind Is the worls prepaired to abandon Cuba?
 MV> Australia? Mexico?

China has never formally recognized Taiwan or its right to exist.

 MV> Is Taiwan at risk of falling from the face of the earth? To be left
 MV> behind when the rest of the world leaves for Alpha Centauri? Taken by
 MV> Aliens? What about asking the same questions about Cuba?

I didnt say anything so controversial as to cause the hair to rise on the back
of your neck..

If there is any catalyst to provoke China into war, with anybody, it would
probably be over Taiwan or even Tibet.

 MV> Oh, I think I see what you mean. What if Taiwan at some time in the
 MV> future is returned to Chinese rule? Yes wat about it? Hongkong was
 MV> returned to Chinese rule. Did it cease to exist? Did the people of
 MV> Hongkong all die in agony?

Hong Kong was a British possession, ceded back to the people it was taken from,
hopefully someday, Spain will get Gibraltar back.

Taiwan (Formosa) was a Island the surviving non-communists fled too after the
commies took over. You can argue that the Island belongs to China, but then
again, the Island was occupied by the then legitimate Government.

If Taiwan falls under China rule it will be via Democratic vote by its people,
not some gesture of some other country ceding it back, as was the case with
Hong Kong or even Panamam Canal zone.

However I cannot fathom the people of Taiwan opting to do that so long as
Communism is remotely part of that Governments mentality, given that the
Taiwanese have lived with some form of Democratic freedoms for all these years.
Therefore if Taiwan comes under Mainland China rule, it is likely to come under
duress from the business end of a gun.

and as Ward pointed out, there is likely nothing the world can or would do
about it.

 MV> I do not know what will happen to Taiwan in the future, Maybe it will
 MV> some day return to Chinese rule or maybe it will not. If it does, I do
 MV> not necessarily see that as bad. Maybe the people of Taiwan will
 MV> *want* to be re-united with China some day. Maybe they will *choose*
 MV> to be re-united.

Would you choose to live under Communist rule?

 MV> I know you find it very hard to accept that people will voluntarily
 MV> divert from the American Way of Life, but you better get used to the
 MV> idea.

Has nothing to do with the American Way of life, unless of course you would
choose to live under Communist rule, would you?

 MV> Anyway, I think Ward is right, if China decides to take Taiwan by
 MV> force, there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Ah see above..

 RC>> They own us..

 MV> And that does not worry you? That you are owned?

Of course it does, I simply pointed it out, I didnt endorse it..

I work in retail, there are very few items I hand to customers nowadays that
/isnt/ made in China.

 RC>> They wont call on any notes so long as we continue to import from
 RC>> them.

 MV> You really believe that do you? You really believe this pyramid game
 MV> can go on forever. What if the shoe were on the other foot?

It is countries like us that has enabled their economy.

How many things considered a technology item around you now, isnt made there
Michiel?

China exports to more countries than just the USA.

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Ross
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