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Skriven 2008-10-25 08:39:04 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
  Kommentar till text 22501 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Loyalties
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Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Robert Bashe on Friday October 24 2008 at 15:48:

RB>> a) Israel has never allowed another country to dictate it's national
RB>> security, not even the USA. And for excellent reasons, as history has
RB>> shown time and again.

MV> Iran has never allowed another country to dictate it's national
MV> security, not even the USA.

Since when has there been any interest in doing so? And who ever threatened to
"drive the Iranians into the sea"?

MV> How does that sound?

A little stupid, if the truth be known.

MV> Not right of course. Israel are the good guys and Iran are the bad
MV> guys.

Not necessarily. Let's just say the Israelis are predictable and you can talk
productively with them, whereas the Iranians - at least those in power - are
wild-eyed fanatics.

Incidently, I once had the opportunity of being closely together with an
Iranian over a 6-7 month period, and he was a nice guy, as they go, but if you
believed what he told you, you were the biggest fool on God's green earth. I
found that out on several separate occasions. Iranians are born negotiators,
and you should _never_ take what they say as the truth without independent
confirmation.

MV> Or try this: Contrary to Iran, Israel never signed to non
MV> proliferation treaty. Iran always complied with the treaty, whereas
MV> Israel made bombs.

Now you make me laugh ;-) Praising Iran for breaking the Non-Proliferation
Treaty and daming Israel for not signing it (and possibly developing nukes).
What do you want? The treaty _or_ non-proliferation?

MV> Nevertheless Iran is facing sanctions, while Israel receives arms and
MV> support.

Like I say above, one side is predictable and can be talked with, the other a
heap of wild-eyed fanatics. Would you give an angry child a loaded gun?

MV> You say that not even the USA can dictate Israel, but I do not believe
MV> that to be true.

Since when did I claim that? You can _talk_ to them and as long as you don't
threaten their national security, they'll listen. Remember Saddam's Scuds? The
Israelis didn't retaliate because the Americans asked them not to. Try
something like that with the Iranians.

RB>> b) The development plan was top secret and the presumed fact that
RB>> Israel has nukes is merely that - a presumption - to this day.

MV> Yeah. And the moom is made of green cheese...

You believe. And your proof? Pakistan and India conducted tests.

Michiel, the _uncertainty_ is more important than the fact in this case. An
uncertain enemy hesitates. That's the whole purpose of Israel's defense
strategy.

RB>> The purpose is to leave enemies in uncertainty and fear that an
RB>> attack could provoke massive retaliation, thus reducing the
RB>> possibility of such an attack.

MV> And of course that is all right, because they are the good guys.
MV> Contrary to Iran, North Korea or Iraq who are (were) the bad guys.

You appear to have problems distinguishing dangerous fanatics from people you
can talk to, even though the latter may also have their standpoints and won't
agree with everything you say.

RB>> c) The opinion of the Netherlands with regard to Israel's presumed
RB>> nukes is about as important to Israel as the opinion of Rhode Island
RB>> toward the sale of cannabis in Amsterdam coffee shops would be to the
RB>> Netherlnds, namely, they couldn't care less.

MV> And of course that is all right, because they are the good guys.
MV> Contrary to Iran, North Korea or Iraq who are (were) the bad guys.

No, that's right because the Netherlands, like Rhode Island, is a pimple on the
ass of the world. If the truth be known, Germany is headed in that direction
too, but nobody says that yet.

MV> Denying others what one considers indispensible for oneself is
MV> hypocrite.

And what is praising and supporting fanatics and terrorists? The mark of every
honorable man?

Cheers, Bob

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