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  Kommentar till text 22501 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Loyalties
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24 Oct 08 15:48, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Robert Bashe:

 MvdV>>>>> For that reason Israel should never have been allowed to have
 MvdV>>>>> them.

 RB>> a) Israel has never allowed another country to dictate it's national
 RB>> security, not even the USA. And for excellent reasons, as history
 RB>> has shown time and again.

 MvdV> Iran has never allowed another country to dictate it's national
 MvdV> security, not even the USA. And for excellent reasons, as history
 MvdV> has shown time and again.

 MvdV> How does that sound?

Sounds untrue.

 MvdV> Not right of course. Israel are the good guys and Iran are the bad
 MvdV> guys.

So history has shown us.

 MvdV> Or try this: Contrary to Iran, Israel never signed to non
 MvdV> proliferation treaty.

That's because aggressors are expected to be, well, aggressors like Iran.

 MvdV> Iran always complied with the treaty, whereas Israel made bombs.

You don't know that for sure. Iran doesn't allow UN inspecters and Israel
has no reason to be inspected.

 MvdV> Nevertheless Iran is facing sanctions, while Israel receives arms
 MvdV> and support.

Aggressor vs non-aggressor.

 MvdV> You say that not even the USA can dictate Israel, but I do not
 MvdV> believe that to be true.

All the US can do is 'suggest' to Israel. Dictating is left to the
dictators. The US suggested to Israel that they NOT counter-attack Iraq
when Iraq was bombing them with scud missles. They, unlike the Iranians,
understood the consequences of their threatened involvment and showed
great restraint in the face of those attacks.

 MvdV> What they should have done - according to the NP treaty - is to not
 MvdV> supply Israel with arms and other support.

Israel has the capability to make their own and have. The US doesn't
supply them.

 MvdV>   I do not believe that Israek could have developed nuclear arms
 MvdV> without at least passive support from the USA.

I can't count the times that Israeli' have been caught spying on US
military manufacturers. Do the history search for yourself and you see
that to be true.

 MvdV> But of course no POTUS candidate will ever speak against Israel,
 MvdV> That would cost too many votes.

There are a total of only 12 million Jews in the US. Taking into account
children under 18yo and apathy, less than 1/3rd of those are voters.

 RB>> b) The development plan was top secret and the presumed fact that
 RB>> Israel has nukes is merely that - a presumption - to this day.

 MvdV> Yeah. And the moom is made of green cheese...

Then, show us your proof that Israel has nuke weapons.

 RB>> The purpose is to leave enemies in uncertainty and fear that an
 RB>> attack could provoke massive retaliation, thus reducing the
 RB>> possibility of such an attack.

 MvdV> And of course that is all right, because they are the good guys.

They have been the subject of attacks by their neighbors since day one of
the 1948 Israel. How many times since then has Israel attacked her
neighbors out of the clear blue for no reason?

 MvdV> Contrary to Iran, North Korea or Iraq who are (were) the bad guys.

I'd say so.

 RB>> c) The opinion of the Netherlands with regard to Israel's presumed
 RB>> nukes is about as important to Israel as the opinion of Rhode Island
 RB>> toward the sale of cannabis in Amsterdam coffee shops would be to
 RB>> the Netherlnds, namely, they couldn't care less.

 MvdV> And of course that is all right, because they are the good guys.

And that is the truth.

 MvdV> Contrary to Iran, North Korea or Iraq who are (were) the bad guys.

And they really are the bad guys.

 MvdV> Denying others what one considers indispensible for oneself is
 MvdV> hypocrite.

Shoe fits, better put it on. Oh, don't forget your pointy hat.

                R\%/itt



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