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Skriven 2008-12-11 15:38:49 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 24885 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
Ärende: Loyalties
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11 Dec 08 13:37, Ward Dossche wrote to Roy Witt:


 RW>> JD>   Like Ward said, that trial would have been appealed in a
 RW>> second had
 RW>> JD> it happened in a civilized country, if for no other reason then
 RW>> the
 RW>> JD> judge's statements

 RW>> Do you and Ward propose that an Iraqi judge doesn't have the right
 RW>> to free speech?

 WD> In his verbal intervention during the trial before proof was
 WD> presented, before the defense had presented its case, before the
 WD> prosecutor had proven his case, before any witnesses were interviewed
 WD> ... the judge told Chemical Ali to "Shut up because we all know your
 WD> case".

That was actually said AFTER the 2nd sentence to hang for the murder of
thousands of Sunnis was handed down and shit fer brains shouted out in
protest.

 WD> That is a clear demonstration of bias by a person who is supposed to
 WD> be impartial and able to deliver a clear balanced verdict.

Since it was after all testimony was heard and a sentence about to be
impoed, it is understandable that any judge would have already formed an
opinion. In Iraq, there are 9 or 5 judges that hear the case, depending
on the charges.

When one reads the trial transcripts, one can easily form such an opinion.

During the trial, the court heard tape-recorded conversations between Ali
Hassan and senior Ba'ath party officials regarding the use of chemical
weapons. Responding to a question about the success of the deportation
campaign, Ali Hassan told his interlocutors:

"I went to Sulaymaniyah and hit them with the special ammunition [i.e.
chemical weapons]. That was my answer. We continued the deportations. I
told the mustashars [village heads] that they might say that they like
their villages and that they won't leave. I said I cannot let your village
stay because I will attack it with chemical weapons. Then you and your
family will die. You must leave right now. Because I cannot tell you the
same day that I am going to attack with chemical weapons. I will kill them
all with chemical weapons! Who is going to say anything? The international
community? Fuck them! The international community and those who listen to
them."

Or

"This is my intention, and I want you to take serious note of it. As soon
as we complete the deportations, we will start attacking them everywhere
according to a systematic military plan. Even their strongholds. In our
attacks we will take back one third or one half of what is under their
control. If we can try to take two-thirds, then we will surround them in a
small pocket and attack them with chemical weapons. I will not attack them
with chemicals just one day, but I will continue to attack them with
chemicals for fifteen days. Then I will announce that anyone who wishes to
surrender with his gun will be allowed to do so. Anyone willing to come
back is welcome, and those who do not return will be attacked again with
new, destructive chemicals. I will not mention the name of the chemical
because that is classified information. But I will say with new
destructive weapons that will destroy you. So I will threaten them and
motivate them to surrender."

 WD> In any normal law-abiding country with a modern legal system, that in
 WD> itself would be grounds enough to throw everything out and declare a
 WD> mistrial.

Like I said before: you have no say in what is a law-abiding country,
especially if it doesn't live up to your idea of 'law-abiding'. How they
conduct their trials is their way of dealing with the injustices of the
Saddam regime and it's many murders.

The Europeon method of talking them to death is cruel and unusual
punishment.

                R\%/itt



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