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Skriven 2009-01-10 21:23:09 av Joe Bruchis (1:3828/12.0)
  Kommentar till text 25924 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Pump prices down
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Michiel van der Vlist wrote in a message to Robert Bashe:

 MvdV> Hello Robert,

 MvdV> On Saturday January 10 2009 08:43, you wrote to me:

 MV>> Here the meteorologists keep stressing that the present cold
 MV>> period does not mean global warming has stopped. The models for
 MV>> the climate change predict both a rise of the long term average
 MV>> and more extremes in the short term.

 RB> Strange, then, that the vocal activists always seem to come out of the
 RB> woodwork every time we have a warm summer or a cool, rainy winter,
 RB> claiming that such things "prove" glogal warming. Now nobody is
 RB> getting up on the podium to claim there is global cooling because of
 RB> the cold winter we're having. Why not?

 MvdV> There are people coming out of the woodwork claiming global
 MvdV> warming is a hoax though.

 MvdV> They are both wrong. Local extremes are not proof or disproof for
 MvdV> global warming. Global warming is real, I am sure of that. The
 MvdV> figures don't  lie. The average temperature of the planet *is*
 MvdV> going up, no doubt about that. 

No doubt..never was doubt. The doubt is still whether the warming is being
caused by CO2.

Look at charts over the last 10,000 years. In the 14th century, Europe entered
the "little ice age". Prior to that was a very warm period, known to
Climatologists as the medieval warm period. Since the Little Ice Age, climate
has begun to steadily warm again.  During the Bronze Age, climate was much
warmer than it is now, over the span of more than three millenia.

Since the 19th century, the Earth's teperature has risen just over half a
degree celsius. But this warming began even before the advent of cars and
planes. What's more, most of the rise in temperature occured before 1940,
during a period when industrial production was relatively insignificant. During
the post war economic boom, temperatures should have shot up, but in fact they
fell for four decades. It wasn't until the economic recession of the 70's that
the temps stopped falling.

So when the greatest production of CO2 occured, global temperature was going
down. So obviously, CO2 levels and global temperature do not 
correlate. CO2 is a very minor greenhouse gas in the atmosphere, anyway. Water
vapor makes up aabout 95% of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. Greenhouse
gasses cause more warming at the troposphere.

The Greehouse Effect works like this: the sun sends it's warmth down to Earth.
If it weren't for greenhouse gases, the sun's warmth would bounce back into
space, leaving the planet cold and inhabitable. Greenhouse gas, traps the
escaping heat in the Earth's troposhere, a few miles above the surface. So, it
is there,one would think the warming should be at its highest, if it's
greenhouse gas that's causing the warmth. However, data from weather balloons
and satellites shows that the Earth is warming more than the atmosphere. 
Palentologists that have looked at ice core samples conclude that a rise in CO2
levels has actually occured over the centuries, but only following a rise in
the Earth's temperature. So CO2 is not causing temperature changes.  It is a
product of temperature changes. Since the ice core samples don't correlate with
changes in CO2 levels, the fundamental assumption that the temperature level of
the Earth is influenced by the behavior of humans, with regard to CO2 levels is
false.
 
Human's are not the main source of CO2. We produce a single digit % of the CO2
that's in the atmosphere. Volcanoes produce more CO2 in a year than all of the
factories in the world and other sources of an made CO2 put together.  Even
more comes from animals and bacteria, 150 gigatons per year vs 6.5 gigatons per
year for humans. Even larger is from dying vegetation from falling leaves. But
by far, the biggest producer of CO2 is the Oceans. Oceanograhers have stated,
the Oceans are the major reservoir collecting CO2 and through evaporation is
the greatest emitter of CO2 into the atmosphere. So the warmer the oceans, the
more CO2 they produce and the cooler the oceans, the less they pull into their
CO2 reservoir.

So why is there such a big difference between the Earth's temperature and the
resulting rise in CO2 levels? It's because the the Oceans are so huge and so
deep, it takes many years for them to warm and produce more CO2.

So guess what's causing the rise in the Earth's temperature?  It's the SUN.
Check the Daish Meterological Institute.  They did a study of sunspots in the
20th century. From 1860 to 1990, they found almost an exact correlation between
the Sun's activity and the temerature of the Earth. There is no such
correlation between greenhouse gases and temperature of the Earth.

Depending on the Solar wind, the more of the suns energy that is transmitted to
Earth, the more clouds are produced and the greater cooling takes place as a
result of the clouds. 

So, it's indisputable to me that CO2 has any affect on Global Warming.  It's a
farce created by the same people trying to bring you the future globalization
of societies. They want to tax those that produce CO2 and that's everyone and
everything we have. 


Regards,

 Joe 
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