Text 27789, 88 rader
Skriven 2009-02-23 09:10:27 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456.0)
  Kommentar till text 27775 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
Ärende: 11yr old with a shotgun
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Ward Dossche -> Ross Cassell wrote:

Keep in mind Ward, that as a US Citizen, I do not own any fireams, I have owned
exactly one firearm in my entire life, it was a Marlin Semi-Automatic 22cal
rifle, I sold it probably 5 months later.

 RC>> I used to sell Rifles and Shotguns as well, and I could not transfer
 RC>> ownership of same to anyone under the age of 18. I do not know what
 WD> they
 RC>> use now but the proper form I used back in the day was BATF Form 4473.

 WD> I understand.

 WD> The following I copy verbatim from the NY Times (incl the spelling
errors):

 WD> " A 'youth'-sized 20-guage rifle, a model designed for children for
 WD> which registration is not required, was later found in the home,
 WD> investigators said."

Rifles and shotguns ttbomk, dont need registration, that is limited to handguns
in most states. Since I am over 20 years removed from the Sporting Goods
business, I have not kept up with all the regulations.

I suppose I could go look but...

All Firearms required a minimum age, valid ID, US Citizenship and paperwork to
be filled out to transfer ownership, at least between dealers or dealer to
consumer.

Since alot has happened in the realm of gun control and such, I can only assume
the system has gotten tougher than it was when I was selling rifles and
shotguns.

 WD> The same message I copy from other sides in different wording, so it
 WD> isn't a copy-and-paste from a press-release.

 WD> So "ownership" is not discussed. The father may be the legal owner.

 WD> But "a 'youth'-sized 20-gauge rifle designed for children" ? ??
 WD>                                     ---------------------
 WD> A lethal weapon ... for children?

Whereas supervision is still required for the youths to carry and use such as
well as the adult being recognized the legal owner of said firearm.

You are familiar with the Boy Scouts, yes?

Would it surprise you that as a 14yo Scout, I fired a shotgun for the first
time? Well supervised by the shotguns legal owner, while out on a Camporee.

 RC>> So dont take this story literally and say the boy owned the shotgun, he
 RC>> did not.. Chances are the father bought the shotgun so the two of them
 RC>> could share in a hobby, be that hunting or target shooting or whatever.

 WD> Any child psychologist will tell you that 11-year-old boys live in a
 WD> fantasy world. They're used to video games where you shoot people and
 WD> get points for it, or cartoons where characters fall off cliffs and then
 WD> re-appear. They don't understand the finality of death. NO 11-year-old
 WD> boy should EVER have a weapon of his own -- it's that simple. Remember

Yes and as pointed out to you, if he had his mind set on murder, there were
child size baseball bats to use among the numerous kitchen utensils.

When will you people spend more energy on condemning the act and not the tool?

 WD> the 8-year-old kid in Arizona who shot and killed his dad and his dad's
 WD> friend a few months ago?? The boy used a hunting rifle that his dad had
 WD> bought him for his birthday. It's no coincidence.

No its not uncommon for fathers to buy their sons these things if the 2 happen
to share an interest in hunting or target shooting..

What you should be condemning is the lack of parental responsibility in
securing these things away, so that they could not be accessed, possessed or
used unsupervised.

They make child size golf clubs too Ward, I hear that a putter could do nasty
things to a skull, where is your outrage?

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