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Skriven 2009-03-09 13:46:19 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 28703 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: OK, Vlist claims that there is no God! LOL!
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07 Mar 09 11:23, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 RW>>>> Why do Catholics think that the Pope represents God on Earth?
 MvdV>>> Do they? I don't know, I am not a catholic, you have to ask
 MvdV>>> them.
 RW>> I don't need to ask them anything. If you want to know what they
 RW>> think, you ask them.
 MvdV> It is not me who wants to know. You wre the one asking why
 MvdV> catholics think the Pope represents God on earth.

I put the question mark there for you to answer, I already know the
answer.

 RW>>>> The Jews are smarter than the Catholics?

 MvdV>>> The catholics seem to be getting along far better with the rest
 MvdV>>> of the world than the Jews. So no, it does not look like the
 MvdV>>> Jews are smarter.

 RW>> Einstein was a Jew.

 MvdV> So?

Buttons on your underwear. You claimed that the Jews weren't as smart as
the Catholics...in reality, at least one Jew was smarter than all the
Catholics put together.

 MvdV> First, I think Einstein is overrated. His theory of relativity
 MvdV> is a beauty, but he was standing on the shoulders of giants.

Really? Einstein's brain had no speech lobe and didn't speak for the first
5 years of his life. Meanwhile, the part of the brain that allows one to
think grew to the point that his brain was much wider than a normal brain.
His theory of relativity came at the ripe old age of 19...he published
over 300 scientific works and over 150 non-scientific works.

 MvdV> Maxwell and Lorentz were almost there. Einstein just put the last
 MvdV> piece of the puzzle in place and if he had not done it, some else
 MvdV> would have.

Well duhhhh. That's progression, we all learn from those who came before.

 MvdV> He got nowhere with his Grand Unification Theory and his views on
 MvdV> quantum mechanics were way off. His social life was a mess, he was
 MvdV> very difficult person to live with.

Meanwhile, he was a success in everything else of the 300+ other things
that he did. I like this quote from his biographer, Don Howard. "to the
scientifically literate (supposedly you) and the public at large, Einstein
is synonymous with genius."

 RW>>>> According to Christian teachings, they're not supposed to eat
 RW>>>> pork either.

 MvdV>>> That is not what my Christian teacher told me.

 RW>> I would be wary of people who don't know their bible and tell you
 RW>> such things. I'd stay far away from that teacher.

 MvdV> I stay away from religion in general.

As well you should.

 RW>> As a test of their knowledge, ask the teacher if pigs pass the
 RW>> cloven hoof/chews a cud requirement as clean food, posed to Noah by
 RW>> the Hebrew God in the old testament. If he/she tells you that law
 RW>> was done away with by the sacrifice of Jesus, they don't know what
 RW>> they're talking about.

 MvdV> As far as I am concerned none of them knows what they are talking
 MvdV> about, they are all talking nonsense.

Which is why you should stay away from religious discussions.

 RW>>>> According to the Pope, pork is now clean food and good for human
 RW>>>> consumption. Many are led astray by the Pope.

 MvdV>>> The Christian faith is more than just the catholics.

 RW>> Yes, but the Catholic faith has set the precedent that the others
 RW>> have followed.

 MvdV> And some rejected again.

Not completely. Only a few Christian sects have gone back to the original
teachings of the Bible. The Seventh Day Adventists, the Seventh Day
Baptists and one or two others.

 MvdV>>> Non chatholic Christians do not believe the Pope is the ultimate
 MvdV>>> authority,

 RW>> Correct, yet they adhere to the teachings of the Catholic church.

 MvdV> Only some of them.

Most of them.

 MvdV>>> but they believe pork is ok as well.

 RW>> They also believe the Catholic Church had the authority to change
 RW>> the Sabboth Day from the 7th day of the week to the first day of the
 RW>> week.

 RW>> They are wrong in that belief.

 MvdV> No more than al the others who believe something else.

Note that of the three western religions we're talking about, two follow
the clean food, dirty food teachings of their brand of religion and a few
of the third religion do as well.

 MvdV>  It is all myth.

Or real...your choice.

 RW>> The last words in the Bible state something on the order of: if you
 RW>> add anything to or change anything in this book, God will add onto
 RW>> those who do, the plagues that are written in this book.

 MvdV> Yeah, one considers a book as authoritative, because the very same
 MvdV> book book says it is the word of God and Goid is the ultimate
 MvdV> authority. Nice piece of circular reasoning...

That book also tells them that their God wrote it.

 RW>> Didn't your mother ever tell you that: Just because Jahn can do it,
 RW>> that doesn't mean that it's right or that you can do it. ?

 MvdV> No, she didn't.

BS...

 RW>>>> OTH, a Muslim will only eat or touch food with his right hand,
 RW>>>> because he believes the hand he wipes his ass with is tainted.

 MvdV>>> Not ALL Muslims. There is diversity within the Muslim faith...

 RW>> No doubt, but 'real' orthodox Muslims do adhere to that practice.

 MvdV> And who decides what are the "real" orthgodox Muslims?

The original orthodox Muslims.

 MvdV>  Smmes to me they have the same problem as the myriad of Christinan
 MvdV> branches that all claim the they and only they are the true
 MvdV> believers.

They all believe in the same God, it's just their methods of worship that
are different.

 MvdV>>>>> Why can Muslims amd Jews have more than one wife and
 MvdV>>>>> christians can not?

 RW>>>> Muslims can, Jews don't.

 MvdV>>> Abraham had more than one wife.

 RW>> He wasn't a Christian or a Jew. He was a Hebrew.

 MvdV> Hebrew is not a religion, it is a country. (Or a language)

There never was a country named Hebrew. There was only a Hebrew people and
language. Although the Bible is strewn with the word 'Jew', there never
was a Jewish religion until after the Catholic Church was established.

 RW>>>>  Some Christians would, if it weren't outlawed by the state.

 MvdV>>> The law has never stopped a man from having more than one wife.
 MvdV>>> The law can easely be circumvented by calling the others
 MvdV>>> "lover", "mistress" or "friend".

 RW>> Are they bound together by marriage in the Church?  No, they are
 RW>> living in sin, according to their religious faith/church.

 MvdV> The Christians that have more than one wife believe it has the fiat
 MvdV> of their God of course.

There was never an order by God to polygamize. It was condoned from
societal needs, but not an order from God.

 MvdV> So accrding to their own rules, they do not live in sin.

According to the law of the land, they do. That goes as far back as Roman
law, which also outlawed polygamy.

 MvdV> The sin is only in the eyes of the others who believe God will only
 MvdV> sanction mmonogameus mariages.

1 Timothy 3:2, " A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife,
vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

 MvdV>>> Yes. And that same self proclaimed profet took a nine year old
 MvdV>>> girl as one of his wives. Now how would that fit in with
 MvdV>>> today's law and morals?

 RW>> It probably would be seen in the Muslim world as being normal.

 MvdV> Only among some extremists.

In Islam, polygamy is allowed for men, with the specific limitation that
they can only have up to four wives at any one time. The Qur'an also
states that men who choose this route must deal with their wives as fairly
as possible, doing everything that they can to spend equal amounts of time
and money on each one of them.

 MvdV>>> Someone not living too far from here lost his life because
 MvdV>>> he expressed his views on that...

 RW>> How so?

 MvdV> Theo van Gogh. he claimed the Muslim culture was a backward culture
 MvdV> and thet muslims were goat fuckers. he was killed by a muslim
 MvdV> extermist. I think he was wrong about the goat part...

Ahhh yes, the Village Idiot. Reading his history of saying things that
would piss off everyone who read him, he was an assassination waiting to
happen.

 RW>> I'm more of a Deist...I believe there's an omnipotent being that
 RW>> created this universe, perhaps as an experiment. When you're dead,
 RW>> you're dead.

 RW>> However, if there's an afterlife, I'll be more than over-joyed if
 RW>> it's anything like these religious zealots say it is.

 MvdV> Are you sure? I have a suspicion it will boring. Nothing much
 MvdV> happening up there.

I was told some 45 years ago that if God thought my 1955 Chevy was a good
thing, it'd be there waiting for me if I so desired. Hopefully, there'll
be a dragstrip too and I can spend eternity racing others like myself.

 MvdV> Plus that I foresee some ... eh .. complications. Having to deal
 MvdV> for 20+ cats might be the least of them...

Only if you desire them to be with you...:o)

                R\%/itt




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