Text 2973, 81 rader
Skriven 2007-06-21 10:29:48 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
   Kommentar till text 2971 av Björn Felten (3:640/305)
Ärende: Nipple slip
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Hello Björn!

21 Jun 07 23:30, you wrote to Björn Forsström:

No Mr Felten, nothing you say below is accurate and I would appreciate it if
not for the interest of preserving the peace this echo has enjoyed for near a
month if you could restrain comments such as below, which you know all too well
will incite a response. If you cannot keep this nonsense to yourself, then
please shunt them to another echo.

This is exactly the sort of stuff that caused this echo its many past problems,
please sir!!

A reply is requested.

 BF>> This is why I don't think you deserve the honor to be here in
 BF>> Fidonet. Go back to sleep and let the adults talk.

 BF>    I disagree, Björn. I think it's good for fidonet that Christian
 BF> fanatics like him are given the opportunity to display their narrow
 BF> minded opinions even in our network.

 BF>    Remember that every single US politician -- from the president down
 BF> to the most obscure congressman and down to even the local sheriff --
 BF> is Christian in the US. Should anyone of them openly proclaim that
 BF> they are not, they'll be off after the next election.

 BF>    It's not a coincident that I, just a couple of weeks ago, posted
 BF> the famous words of Noam Chomsky in the Food for Thoughts section of
 BF> the Snooze:

 BF>  "Goebbels was in favour of free speech for views he liked. So
 BF>   was Stalin. If you're in favour of free speech, then you're
 BF>   in favour of freedom of speech precisely for views you
 BF>   despise. Otherwise, you're not in favour of free speech."

 BF>    That religious fanatics all over the world are trying as hard as
 BF> they can to forbid people with opposing views to express those views
 BF> is not surprising. Many of them live in dictatorships, so they have
 BF> never tasted Free Speech, so they may be excused.

 BF>    But most Christian fanatics live under the comforting blanket of a
 BF> democracy with it's outspoken Freedom of Speech. Those fanatics are
 BF> amongst the most despicable people on this globe IMHO. For they use
 BF> their FoS to utter their perverted PoVs but are desperately trying to
 BF> prevent everyone else from exercising that very same right.

 BF>    The biggest irony of it all is, that their Founding Fathers were
 BF> very well aware of the fact that here in Europe, almost every war was
 BF> a religious one. So, in the very first sentence -- Amendment I -- of
 BF> their Bill of Rights, they wrote:

 BF>   "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
 BF>    religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
 BF>    abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the
 BF>    right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
 BF>    the government for a redress of grievances."

 BF>    This is so beautifully put, that one might wish that all other
 BF> countries would adopt it. And many have -- even if it wasn't more than
 BF> about ten years ago we in Sweden no longer had every new-born child
 BF> forcibly joined to the Swedish (Christian) Church. But in the US they
 BF> have gone in the opposite direction, happily ignoring the basic
 BF> thoughts that's behind the elegant wording above...  :(

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Ross
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