Text 31156, 116 rader
Skriven 2009-04-10 15:04:39 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 31040 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Bank Security
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09 Apr 09 17:43, Robert Bashe wrote to Roy Witt:

 RB> You claimed that...

 RW>>>> My ATM PIN is 5 characters long and is composed of alphanumerics.
 RW>>>> I can change it on a daily basis, if I want to.

 RW>> I didn't say that I could have a new ATM card on a daily basis.

 RB> But you did claim you could change your ATM PIM any time you wished.

That's right, I can.

 RB> And now you are backing down from that claim, since the ONLY thing we
 RB> were EVER talking about were ATM PINs.

I haven't backed down from that position. You ASSume that.

 RB> Not Internet PINS, not Internet passwords. I made that very clear
 RB> even at the beginning, and have emphasized the fact again and again.

I can change those anytime I wish, also.

 RB>>> As some of the data needed to calculate the account checksum is
 RB>>> written on the card itself (the rest is supplied by the banbk
 RB>>> server attached to the ATM), I can't even theoretically imagine how
 RB>>> you could change the ATM PIN number (all the ones I've ever seen
 RB>>> are numeric only, 4 or 5 digits).

 RW>> Yeah, and your 'numeric only' point is?

 RB> The fact that you can't enter letters in an ATM terminal. Clear
 RB> enough?

As mud. I do it everytime I enter my PIN at the ATM terminal. Too bad you
can't do that.

 RB>>> I know darn well I can't on any of the American cards I have, nor
 RB>>> on the German ones. As I mentioned to Ward, I just had to get my
 RB>>> son's bank card replaced because he forgot his ATM PIN. It was a
 RB>>> hassle and cost money, but was unavoidable.

 RB>>> So how about that web page?

 RB> Why do I have the feeling you're disagreeing for the mere pleasure of
 RB> disagreeing? The ATM PIN has nothing at all to do with a web page:
 RB> All I wanted was some kind of confirmation for your _claim_ that ATM
 RB> PINs (where you live) not only can be alphanumeric BUT ALSO can be
 RB> changed at will. If you won't or can't answer that, that's also an
 RB> answer in my eyes.

 RB>>> P.S. Where have you ever seen an ATM with an alphanumeric keyboard?
 RB>>> Everything I've ever seen (USA, France, Germany) had numbers only.

 RW>> It doesn't take much imagination to understand how an alphanumeric
 RW>> password would work.

 RB> Except that I didn't ask that. And we're talking about ATM PINs, not
 RB> about telephone numbers or anything else.

Still over your head, eh...

 RW>> Try inputing K6RXT into your telephone pad and then you'll realize
 RW>> what I'm talking about. The real password is 56798 on a numeric only
 RW>> pad...everybody except some of the dumber people in the world know
 RW>> this.

 RB> So now you go to your bank, push your bank card or Visa into the ATM
 RB> slot, and enter "K6RXT". Only problem is that you can't, since there
 RB> are no alphabetic keys. Unless the ATMs where you live are special
 RB> machines that are only at the bank(s) you use, and are incompatible
 RB> to anything anywhere else.

 RB> Roy, I hate to crush your illusions, but 56798 is NOT!

Yes it is...it represents K6RXT on a alphanumeric pad.

 RB>  an
 RB> alphanumeric password/PIN or whatever. You're drifting away from the
 RB> subject and trying to use the nuumbers and letters on a telephone
 RB> keyboard,

I can use them any way I wish...

 RB> claiming that the letters corespond to certain numbers. But
 RB> we habe NEVER been talking about phone keyboards,

I see, so your mind is like a one way street.

 RB> ONLY about ATMs. Go
 RB> to your bank and look at one. Take a picture of it and put it into
 RB> the Internet. I'd be fascinated if it had an alphabecic keyboard in
 RB> it, since that would mean that YOU might be able to use an
 RB> alphanumeric PIN locally, but nowhere else in this wide world.

I cannot deny the fact that my PIN is K6RXT...

 RB> If you like, I'll take a picture of the ATM keyboards here at my
 RB> bank, give you the URL, and then ask point-blank if that is what you
 RB> have at _your_ bank. No alphabetic keys here or anywhere else I've
 RB> ever seen.

That's too bad...

 RB> C'mon, give it up. Everybody makes a mistake. Why should you be an
 RB> exception?

I was going to ask you the same thing. K6RXT...

                R\%/itt




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