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Skriven 2009-04-11 17:18:54 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 31040 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Bank Security
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09 Apr 09 17:43, Robert Bashe wrote to Roy Witt:

 RB> You claimed that...

 RW>>>> My ATM PIN is 5 characters long and is composed of alphanumerics.
 RW>>>> I can change it on a daily basis, if I want to.

 RW>> I didn't say that I could have a new ATM card on a daily basis.

 RB> But you did claim you could change your ATM PIM any time you wished.

That is true, and still holds water today.

 RB> And now you are backing down from that claim,

In your dreams!

 RB> since the ONLY thing we were EVER talking about were ATM PINs.

Yes.

 RB> Not Internet PINS, not Internet passwords. I made that very clear
 RB> even at the beginning, and have emphasized the fact again and again.

That's nice of you, but not necessary.

 RB>>> As some of the data needed to calculate the account checksum is
 RB>>> written on the card itself (the rest is supplied by the banbk
 RB>>> server attached to the ATM), I can't even theoretically imagine how
 RB>>> you could change the ATM PIN number (all the ones I've ever seen
 RB>>> are numeric only, 4 or 5 digits).

 RW>> Yeah, and your 'numeric only' point is?

 RB> The fact that you can't enter letters in an ATM terminal. Clear
 RB> enough?

Who said you could?

 RB>>> I know darn well I can't on any of the American cards I have, nor
 RB>>> on the German ones. As I mentioned to Ward, I just had to get my
 RB>>> son's bank card replaced because he forgot his ATM PIN. It was a
 RB>>> hassle and cost money, but was unavoidable.

 RB>>> So how about that web page?

 RB> Why do I have the feeling you're disagreeing for the mere pleasure of
 RB> disagreeing? The ATM PIN has nothing at all to do with a web page:

Ummmm, Bob...the 'So how about that web page?' is what you wrote.

 RB> All I wanted was some kind of confirmation for your _claim_ that ATM
 RB> PINs (where you live) not only can be alphanumeric BUT ALSO can be
 RB> changed at will. If you won't or can't answer that, that's also an
 RB> answer in my eyes.

Why would a web page necessarily have that kind of info on it? My bank
doesn't publish everything they offer.

 RB>>> P.S. Where have you ever seen an ATM with an alphanumeric keyboard?
 RB>>> Everything I've ever seen (USA, France, Germany) had numbers only.

 RW>> It doesn't take much imagination to understand how an alphanumeric
 RW>> password would work.

 RB> Except that I didn't ask that. And we're talking about ATM PINs, not
 RB> about telephone numbers or anything else.

And yet you claim that one cannot have a alphanumeric ATM PIN...

 RW>> Try inputing K6RXT into your telephone pad and then you'll realize
 RW>> what I'm talking about. The real password is 56798 on a numeric only
 RW>> pad...everybody except some of the dumber people in the world know
 RW>> this.

 RB> So now you go to your bank, push your bank card or Visa into the ATM
 RB> slot, and enter "K6RXT".

I don't have a Visa, it's a MasterCard.

 RB> Only problem is that you can't, since there are no alphabetic keys.

There's nothing on the brake pedal in my truck that says it's a brake
pedal either. Yet, I know which one it is without reading a label that
isn't there.

Do you have to look at the number pad on your computer's keyboard to know
which number you're typing? Are you a one finger or two finger typer?

Do you have to find the correct letter by eye before you type it?

Ever read an ad in the 'clerical help wanted' column for a 10-key typist?

None of this is rocket science and easily understood by a 7th grader.

(That was the junior High School grade I was in when I learned to type
with both hands)

 RB> Unless the ATMs where you live are special machines that are only at
 RB> the bank(s) you use, and are incompatible to anything anywhere else.

I can go across the street and use there ATM too, or one in Austin if I
need to.

 RB> Roy, I hate to crush your illusions, but 56798 is NOT! an
 RB> alphanumeric password/PIN or whatever.

I never had any illusion that it was...It looks like a duck, quacks like a
duck and in fact, it is a 56798 duck...

 RB> You're drifting away from the subject and trying to use the nuumbers
 RB> and letters on a telephone keyboard, claiming that the letters
 RB> corespond to certain numbers.

That's not a claim, that is a fact.

 RB>  But we habe NEVER been talking about phone keyboards, ONLY about
 RB> ATMs.

You've got a mouse in your pocket?

 RB>  Go to your bank and look at one. Take a picture of it and put it
 RB> into the Internet. I'd be fascinated if it had an alphabecic keyboard
 RB> in it, since that would mean that YOU might be able to use an
 RB> alphanumeric PIN locally, but nowhere else in this wide world.

I've used that same PIN in Illinois, Texas, California and every state
in-between.

 RB> If you like, I'll take a picture of the ATM keyboards here at my
 RB> bank, give you the URL, and then ask point-blank if that is what you
 RB> have at _your_ bank. No alphabetic keys here or anywhere else I've
 RB> ever seen.

Don't bother, I know what an ATM keyboard looks like.

 RB> C'mon, give it up. Everybody makes a mistake. Why should you be an
 RB> exception?

Because I'm perfect?

                R\%/itt




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