Text 31291, 219 rader
Skriven 2009-04-13 12:33:14 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 31265 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Bank Security
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12 Apr 09 09:46, Robert Bashe wrote to Roy Witt:

 RB> Roy Witt wrote to Robert Bashe on Saturday April 11 2009 at 17:18:

 RB>>> But you did claim you could change your ATM PIM any time you
 RB>>> wished.

 RW>> That is true, and still holds water today.

 RB> OK, then we'll leave it at this: I don't believe you.

OK then, don't try to say an ATM PIN can't be changed, because I don't
believe you.

 RW>>>> Yeah, and your 'numeric only' point is?

 RB>>> The fact that you can't enter letters in an ATM terminal. Clear
 RB>>> enough?

 RW>> Who said you could?

 RB> You, the minute you claimed you had an "alphanumeric" ATM PIN. That
 RB> automatically implies that you can enter it into an ATM.

That is an ASSumption on your part.

 RB>>> Why do I have the feeling you're disagreeing for the mere pleasure
 RB>>> of disagreeing? The ATM PIN has nothing at all to do with a web
 RB>>> page...

 RW>> Ummmm, Bob...the 'So how about that web page?' is what you wrote.

 RB> It would have been proof that you know what you're talking about.

You can go to https://www.rbfcu.org/ and look for yourself.

PS - not all services are listed online.

 RB> You don't have to enter the ATM PIN to access your account on a
 RB> webpage.

duhhhh.

 RB> But now you're being "cute" and trying to twist words. I prefer the
 RB> "straight-talking" Roy.

Good luck in searching for services not listed online.

 RB>>> All I wanted was some kind of confirmation for your _claim_ that
 RB>>> ATM PINs (where you live) not only can be alphanumeric BUT ALSO can
 RB>>> be changed at will. If you won't or can't answer that, that's also
 RB>>> an answer in my eyes.

 RW>> Why would a web page necessarily have that kind of info on it? My
 RW>> bank doesn't publish everything they offer.

 RB> But you "know" it's so, right?

I know it's so because I have experience in doing so...

 RB> But are neither willing to provide a web page where that stands black
 RB> on white, nor a scan of the pertinent part of the bank rules. Just
 RB> "trust me"... only problem being that what you claim flies in the
 RB> face of everything the banks say here - or for that matter those I
 RB> deal with in the States.

Go for it...good luck.

 RB> Simple black and white: changes in the PIN numbers of credit/debit
 RB> cards or bank cards are NOT possible.

Wrong.

 RB> Changes in your access code for internet banking are possible at any
 RB> time.

That's a fact.

 RB> I just don't believe you. Too much bluster, too many unsubstantiated
 RB> claims, too much evasion when I ask about where such claims are
 RB> written down.

See above.

 RB>>>>> P.S. Where have you ever seen an ATM with an alphanumeric
 RB>>>>> keyboard? Everything I've ever seen (USA, France, Germany) had
 RB>>>>> numbers only.

 RW>>>> It doesn't take much imagination to understand how an alphanumeric
 RW>>>> password would work.

 RB> But a lot of chutzpah to call a numerical password an
 RB> "alphanumerical" PIN simply on the basis of an alphabetical mnemonic.

Thanks for realizing my self confidence (chutzpah).

To help quickly memorize a password, a combination of numbers and
alphabetical letters can be found quite useful to jog a memory.

In using a familiar phrase, or even an Amateur Radio Callsign can be very
useful in the memorization of a password.

In using K6RXT as my memory jogger, it is quite instrumental in keeping
with that password. The letters, no matter what keypad one uses whether a
Telephone or ATM, allways correspond to the same numbers on both pads.

You may think that K6RXT cannot be used on your ATM keypad, but that is
not true at all. K6RXT corresponds to 56798, no matter what keypad you
wish to use.

It's just like hiding something in plain site...

 RB>>> Except that I didn't ask that. And we're talking about ATM PINs,
 RB>>> not about telephone numbers or anything else.

 RW>> And yet you claim that one cannot have a alphanumeric ATM PIN...

 RB> I don't "claim" that, Roy. It's just a fact.

Wrong. It's a claim that you can't backup.

 RB> You're the one who's doing the "claiming" and then trying to get out
 RB> of providing anything to back it up.

I in fact, use an alphanumeric password as a ATM PIN. How it is entered
and interpreted is of no concern.

 RB>>> So now you go to your bank, push your bank card or Visa into the
 RB>>> ATM slot, and enter "K6RXT".

 RW>> I don't have a Visa, it's a MasterCard.

 RB> Nice try at deflecting the question.

Just clarifying the facts. Unstable minds often think of that as a
diversion.

 RB>>> Only problem is that you can't, since there are no alphabetic keys.

 RW>> There's nothing on the brake pedal in my truck that says it's a
 RW>> brake pedal either. Yet, I know which one it is without reading a
 RW>> label that isn't there.

 RB> Another nice try.

So now you're ignoring examples that could explain your ignorance.

 RW>> Do you have to look at the number pad on your computer's keyboard to
 RW>> know which number you're typing? Are you a one finger or two finger
 RW>> typer?

 RB> Two.

Too bad.

 RB> And I don't type "B" instead of "2". We're _still_taking about
 RB> ATMs and not about cell phones or computer keyboards. Give it up.

I type a 2, although I know where it is and don't have to look for it. I
know it's not on the B key. Can you find the 5 key without looking?

 RB>>> Unless the ATMs where you live are special machines that are only
 RB>>> at the bank(s) you use, and are incompatible to anything anywhere
 RB>>> else.

 RW>> I can go across the street and use there ATM too, or one in Austin
 RW>> if I need to.

 RB> Possibly they all have the cell phone letters printed beside the
 RB> numbers which are the actual PIN codes.

Nope...they're all numeric only.

 RB>>> Roy, I hate to crush your illusions, but 56798 is NOT! an
 RB>>> alphanumeric password/PIN or whatever.

 RW>> I never had any illusion that it was...It looks like a duck, quacks
 RW>> like a duck and in fact, it is a 56798 duck...

 RB> So it was but it wasn't. This is getting amusing, you're trying to
 RB> wriggle out of claims that simply aren't true in fact.

You're sure you can read English?

 RB>>> You're drifting away from the subject and trying to use the
 RB>>> nuumbers and letters on a telephone keyboard, claiming that the
 RB>>> letters corespond to certain numbers.

 RW>> That's not a claim, that is a fact.

 RB> That's a claim, Roy.

Sorry to blow your bubble...

 RB> An unsustantiated claim in your own mind.

Perhaps in your mind. I know otherwise.

 RB> But I can see nothing is going to either convince you or even change
 RB> your conviction that ATM PINs _ARE_ alphanumeric AND can be changed
 RB> at any time you chose. So you just continue believeing that until the
 RB> day you find you're dead wrong and have to admit that at least to
 RB> yourself.

You do the same...I'll be fine with knowing that my ATM PIN can be changed
at any time and that it can be alphanumeric.

 RB> It's a waste of time trying to discuss this any further, and I wish
 RB> you much pleasure in your delusions.

LOL! I win. Thanks for playing.

                R\%/itt




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