Text 3226, 155 rader
Skriven 2007-06-25 15:36:46 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
   Kommentar till text 3154 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
Ärende: Nipple slip
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 JS>>>      Is what Felten had to say above worth a comment? Probably
 JS>>> not.

 BF>> That's why I haven't commented it.

 JS>      And also why I have avoided making a number of comments recently.

I haven't seen you participate in anything until now when things are stired
up again.....

 JS>>> But at
 JS>>> the same time he knows that his continuing shots at Americans and
 JS>>> America are likely to encourage a response. So, Felten is doing as much
 JS>>> to stir things up as Shannon or you are.

 BF>> And now even you......

 JS>      But there is a differance.

As Ross use to say, of course there is a "but"....

 JS> My intention is not to stir things up.I
 JS> have tried to avoid commenting but when I see a blatent use of double
 JS> standards where one/several people post using one set of behavorial
 JS> standards and others are expected to behave according to a differant set
 JS> of standards. I then feel that something needs to be said.

That's exactly why I answered Shannon.

 JS>>> Shannon as well as others speak up when
 JS>>> they see people taking cheap shots at their country. I would expect no
 JS>>> less of you or Felten regarding your countries.

 BF>> Here is where your thinking goes wrong.
 BF>> I (and I think this goes for Felten as well) am NOT that fanatic about my
 BF>> country as you are and I think I've explained this to you before. As I
 BF>> said to Ross, come up with something negative about Sweden and I would
 BF>> probably agree.

 JS>      I am not talking about being a fanatic.

I am.

 JS> I am not suggesting that you
 JS> Shannon, or Felten are fanatics about your countries. One doesn't have to
 JS> be a fanatic in their beliefs to defend their country when they feel that
 JS> it or it's people are being wrongly attacked.

Everyone that defend their country like Shannon IS a fanatic.

 JS>      Felten offering an opinion about something that he dislikes about
 JS> America is ok and that should be his right.

Did you read this Shannon?

 JS> Like you I might agree with
 JS> him if I were to be of the same opinion. But that is not the usual case
 JS> with Felten.

Nor is it with Shannon.

 JS> He tends to attack people based on groups, the way things are
 JS> done in America, the USAian way,

Here you write what Felten gets blaimed for, USAian, but I don't see anyone
complain about it.

 JS> Etc. Most of Felten's comments are not
 JS> based on a particular item that he dislikes about America but instead are
 JS> more of a stab at the American people and the American way of life.

That's not how I see it.

 JS> A way
 JS> of life that is niether all good or all bad. It is not only the fact that
 JS> Felten happens to dislike American's and/or America. It is the fact that
 JS> the ongoing theme in his posts has to do with what he doesn't like about
 JS> America. An occasional opinion is one thing but with Felten all his
 JS> opinions seem to be negative.

That's not how I see it. He also have negative things to say about Sweden.

 JS> In fact he seems to be looking for negative
 JS> things to say about America or Americans. How often have we seen him find
 JS> something on the internet that he NEEDS to share with us all here in the
 JS> "Fidonews" echo about how bad something is in America or the American way
 JS> of life?

Ross have posted negative things about Sweden as have Roy and so far I haven't
seen any furious outbreak from Felten and neither from me, so......

 JS> Sadly others have started using the same tactic recently in
 JS> response to Felten.

And he seems to handle those responses very well.

 JS> The fact that he is also a moderator here and the Fidonews editor makes
 JS> his ongoing expression of his dislike of people based on their country and
 JS> a country's way of life even more of a problem.

From what I read, you're the only one that seems to have a problem with
seperating his personal opinion from the moderators.

 JS> If he had the interests of
 JS> Fidonet and Fidonews in his mind he would avoid expressing his personal
 JS> biases in the echo or in the Fidonews.

Why?

 JS> But as we all can see from his
 JS> posts he has little or no concern. He is the editor and therefore seems to
 JS> feel that he is free to act in any manner that he chooses. Regardless of
 JS> the impressions that people get of Fidonet or Fidonews based on his
 JS> actions.

And as we all can see from your posts you only participate when you can
throw a stone at Felten, just as Shannon.

 BF>>>> Now everyone seems to get along and then you have to come and stir
 BF>>>> things up again.

 JS>>>      Talk about making comments to stir things up. Why do the
 JS>>> same things as those you complain about?

 BF>> How else do you show another person how it looks like?

 JS>      You think on that abit and see if you can see a better way.

I have tried that before without any progress.

 BF>>>>  This is why I don't think you deserve the honor to be here in
 BF>>>> Fidonet.

 JS>>>      And what purpose does saying things like that serve?

 BF>> Ask Shannon that.

 JS>      No, I am asking you.

If he can't be any better than the one he blaims none should be here.

 BF>>>> Go back to sleep and let the adults talk.

 JS>>>      Your trying to be funny. Right?

 BF>> What makes you think that?

 JS>      The fact that you seem to think that this is a place for adults to
 JS> talk. It would be nice if it were but with many of the comments being made
 JS> (Including the moderator) that doesn't seem to be the case.

You just couldn't leave out mentioning the moderator......

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