Text 33150, 114 rader
Skriven 2009-06-07 10:09:39 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 33125 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
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06 Jun 09 07:07, Robert Bashe wrote to Roy Witt:

 RB>>> Cars made anywhere in the EU are allowed to drive and be registered
 RB>>> in Germany without changes (which wasn't always the case,

 RW>> That's no different than the way it is here. Cars made in Detroit
 RW>> get to be driven in Dallas.

 RB> As far as I know, Detroit and Dallas are still in the same country.

If you're going to have a union of states, as in the EU, then I would
consider that union as one country and what EU laws apply to Germany
would equally apply to France, etc.. The US's EPA determines what auto
manufacturers must comply with and although California has a much stricter
set of rules than the Federal standard, theirs must be approved by the
EPA.

 RB>>> but since the EU has regulated inter"state" commerce is). And on
 RB>>> the basis of EU regulations on prohibitioin of trade restrictions
 RB>>> within the EU, I would guess this applies throughout the EU.

 RW>> If it doesn't, it should. It is a 'union' of states, afterall. Each
 RW>> state should be allowed the benefits of inter-state commerce without
 RW>> worrying about inter-state taxes. However, it sounds like that isn't
 RW>> so.

 RB> How so? There are no inter-state taxes as far as I'm aware.

That would be an error of your union. The EU legislators should be setting
interstate law that the states in the union must comply with.

 RB> What I was describing (in part) were the different VAT levels in the
 RB> various EU members, which make it advantageous to buy where the VAT
 RB> is high and import into a country where it's lower.

There shouldn't be any different levels of VAT under the EU.

 RB>>> Just for the record, the emissions requirements in the EU are
 RB>>> probably more strict than in the USA, except possibly for
 RB>>> California.

 RW>> California emission standards are copied by several other states and
 RW>> the Federal standard is not much different. Enforcement is the key.

 RB> Enforcement is easy: here, you can't register a car without the
 RB> proper equipment.

In California, the equipment requirement can be circumvented by applying
the CARB's own rules against it. It's not secret that I registered all of
my vehicles in a smog-check-exempt area, while garaging them in a
smog-check area. I could have removed all of the emissions equipment and
gotten away with it as long as no LEO asked to look under the hood. I
didn't of course, because in doing so, I would have had to replace sensors
with dummies that would fool the computer into thinking every thing was
working fine. And that isn't impossible, just expensive.

 RW>> But, like I said, Europeon cars in the past failed to meet EPA (aka
 RW>> Federal) standards for emission control.

 RB> I suspect that was quite a while in the past, but let the point
 RB> stand.

All of this I learned from my Europeon Only mechanic, who I don't envy his
amount of equipment needed to work on the latest stuff imported from
there. i.e. BMW computers cost $1500 and they're sealed so that no one can
mess with them. Domestic computers don't cost even 1/5th of that.

 RB>>> Right. And the whole topic revolves around importation from ANOTHER
 RB>>> country.

 RW>> Like Canada and Mexico.

 RB> If you BUY there and import into the USA. Not merely if the cars were
 RB> assembled or manufactured there and sold in the USA.

Each of the vehicles manufactured there are also sold there.

 RB> [Warranties should apply everywhere, and do inside the EU for EU-made
 RB> cars]

That's also how it works here.

 RB>>> How true, but remember this is an inner-EU affair. Cars from
 RB>>> outside the EU - such as American cars - do not benefit from this
 RB>>> any more than foreign cars sold outside the States do in the USA.

 RW>> On the contrary. Foreign cars purchased overseas are covered by
 RW>> factory warranties, just as if they were domesticly made.

 RB> That statement is full of loopholes, since you don't say _where_ the
 RB> factory warranties are valid (naturally they are valid where the car
 RB> was sold) and you also don't define "domestically" (it can mean the
 RB> USA OR the country where the car was sold).

Foreign cars are serviced under warranty here at any dealership that
services those vehicles. The factory pays the dealer to service cars in
warranty. And when I state domestic, I mean here. Anything else is a
foreign vehicle.

 RB> At any rate, I seriously doubt whether a foreign-made car sold
 RB> outside the USA and imported into the country would be serviced under
 RB> warranty without some problems arising.

If it is still under factory warranty, it can be serviced in any
dealership that sells/services that make of vehicle. That's why they're
called dealerships.

                R\%/itt

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