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Skriven 2009-06-15 14:30:12 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
Ärende: Saberi vs Blom
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Hello Jeff,

On Thursday June 11 2009 02:37, you wrote to me:

 JS>>>    Whether we agree with the outcome of the cases or not. It is
 JS>>> the judgement of the courts that determine the guilt.

 MV>> And Saberi was found guilty in an Iranian court. Ling and Lee
 MV>> were found guilty in a North Korean court.

 JS>    Do you dispute the verdict in either case?

What is there to dispute? The verdict took place, that is a fact.

 MV>> My main problem with the Blom case was that he was lured into a
 MV>> trap by a US policeman while he was still on Dutch soil and not
 MV>> violating Dutch law.

 JS>    I agree Michiel that he was enticed into coming to the US to have
 JS> sex with children. But HE made the choice to take advantage of the
 JS> opportunity that he saw available to him.

So you think it is alright to offer a man a poisoned beer end then when he dies
in agony, say: "it was HIS chiuce to accept it"...

 JS>  What he came to the US to do is illegal here.

And the reason he came to the US was the invitation by the p[olicmen posing as
a fourteen year old and THAT is illegal her. (Where Blom was when that
happened).

 JS>    If it was but a single snapshot I wouldn't have even said anything.
 JS> How many times in this forum have we discussed this very topic? How
 JS> many times have I questioned you on why you dislike people that you
 JS> have never tried to get to know?

I base nyjudgeme3nt on the same thing that you base your judgment on me on: by
what they write.

 JS>>> When was the last time you were in the US?

 MV>> When was the last time you were in The Netherlands? When was the
 MV>> last time you were outside US borders for that matter?

 JS>     I have never been to the Netherlands. And I therefor can not offer
 JS> a judgement on whether I like the Netherlands or not.

You do not read newspapers? You do not watch TV? Do the media never give any
news about The Netherlands?

 JS> My statements about you are not based on what country that you come
 JS> from. But instead are based on you as a individual.

If you had ever travelled to other countries wwith other laws and customs, you
would know that people in a country have things in common.

 JS>     I also notice that you declined to answer the question presented
 JS> to you.  And could only respond with a question. A question that I was
 JS> willing to answer.

But which you did not anser in full either.

You are asking things you already know. I have written many times that in the
past I would liked to have visited the USA. Unfortunaltely the opportunity
never presented itself and now it is too late. I do not want to go to the USa
any more. I have also stated the reasons many times.

 JS>>> What first hand personal experiences have you had here in the US
 JS>>> that you base your judgements about the US on?

 MV>> What first hand personal experience do you have with me that you
 MV>> base your judgement on me on?

 JS>    I base my opinion of you Michiel on what you have stated and done.

Adn I base my opinions on what people write and what I read in the news
reports.

 JS> Now if you have not meant what you have said and done then my opinion
 JS> of you would be in error.

The point is that you have never met me and yet you have an opinion of me.

 MV>> One does not have to be in a country to acquire proof about it.

 JS>    That depends on how accurate one cares to be about their opinions
 JS> and judgements. I would not try to judge people or life in the
 JS> Netherlands if I had never been there and have no experiences to base
 JS> that judgement on.

That is nonsence. 99% of the knowledge we have is gained indirectly. Have you
ever actually seen an electron? yet do you doubt electrons exist?

 JS> I suppose I could base an opinion on what I hear or see on the tele.
 JS> But I wouldn't know how much was actually true.

Hmmm. perhaps in the USA there is indeed reason for doubt.

Here I have no fear that news reports are untrue. An occasioanl error may slip
in, but what the report is usually more acurate than any information I could
collect myself.

Cheers, Michiel

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