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Skriven 2009-06-17 23:12:00 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
     Kommentar till en text av Lee Lofaso
Ärende: Re: North Korean Justice
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 -=> On 06-17-09  17:28,  Lee Lofaso <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about North Korean Justice <=-

 DS>The game I will not play is public political discussion,
 DS>such as debating all of the topics you listed.

 LL> The discussion about a North Korean court sentencing two US
 LL> journalists to 12 years hard labor for illegally crossing its
 LL> border is one of politics, comparing one country's judicial/legal
 LL> system with that of another.  The use of philosophical argument
 LL> allows questions to be asked that otherwise would not be asked
 LL> or considered, much less even thought of.

You should note that I have not expressed my opinion on the justice or
injustice of that matter.  What I have done is to point out the fact
that Michiel is not being even handed in discussing the various cases.

 LL> You certainly had no problem discussing that political issue
 LL> with Ward.

I have not discussed that political issue with anyone.

 LL> But when I brought up the use of philosophical argument
 LL> to stress a point, you went ballistic.  Why is that?

I did not go ballistic.  I simply refused to be pulled into a political
debate of any kind.

 LL> To say that you do not engage in political discussion is either
 LL> a downright lie, or one of total ignorance.

Really, quote to me where I have given any statement of my personal
political opinion.


 LL> The fact of the matter
 LL> is that you are ticked about the use of philosophical argument which
 LL> completely blows your position out of the water.  I know that.  You
 LL> know that.  Ward knows that.  And everybody else in this echo does,
 LL> too.

I don't know why you think I was ticked.  I simply refused to be drawn
into a political debate of any sort.  And I gave you the courtesy of
saying so.

 LL> The USA is not as innocent as you and others might want to think.
 LL> Hundreds of people have been detained at Gitmo, for years, without
 LL> having been charged of any crime, and without any real hope of being
 LL> set free.  Some of those who have been detained claim they have been
 LL> tortured.  Others have given up hope, and have committed suicide.
 LL> Sure, there are a handful who are truly bad guys and cannot be set
 LL> free, as they are a real danger to us and to the world.  But how do
 LL> we know who those handful are?  After all, most of the truly bad guys
 LL> have never been charged or put on trial, even in a military tribunal
 LL> setting.  Do we just keep them in limbo, forever?  Is that the answer?
 LL> Just lock `em up and throw away the key?  At least Stalin sent such
 LL> folks to gulags, getting them to work for the state in some capacity.

How could you know what I think on any of those issues.  I have not, and
will not state my opinions on such things in public.

                               Dale Shipp
                  fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
                              (1:261/1466)


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