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Skriven 2009-06-20 00:08:00 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
     Kommentar till en text av Lee Lofaso
Ärende: Re: North Korean Jus
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 -=> On 06-19-09  17:07,  Lee Lofaso <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: North Korean Jus <=-

 DS>You should note that I have not expressed my opinion on the
 DS>justice or injustice of that matter.

 LL> "Have you seen the evidence that they broke the law in North
 LL> Korea?  In fact, have you seen any evidence that they were even
 LL> in North Korea?"
 LL> - Dale Shipp

 LL> That statement is, in and of itself, an opinion.  However, if you
 LL> insist that you have made no opinion, in so doing you are in effect
 LL> giving tacit approval to what North Korea has done.

Those two statements are not an opinion -- they were questions to
Michiel.  Had I said something like "I do not believe that ..." then
that would have been stating my opinion.  You have not seen such a post
from me, nor will you.
 
I have published no approval nor disapproval on North Korea, Iran, Iraq,
Blom, etc.  I have corrected errors in statements claiming to be fact
by others, especially Michiel on some of these matters.  That is not
opinion on those matters.  It is pointing out the errors and
inconsistencies of others stated opinion.

 DS>What I have done is to point out the fact that Michiel is not
 DS>being even handed in discussing the various cases.

 LL> "You seem as quick to judge that they were guilty as you are
 LL> to judge Menno Blom was innocent."
 LL> - Dale Shipp

 LL> It does not appear you have been "even handed" in discussing the
 LL> issues of North Korean justice or Menno Blom, either.  But then,

I have not discussed the issues in either case.  I have raised questions
that need to be answered by those who are making statements of their
opinions.

 LL> Either you agree with what North Korea has done in regards to the two
 LL> journalists being held in captivity, or you do not agree with what
 LL> North Korea has done.

What you say just above is true -- but you have not and will not see me
stating that opinion in any public forum.

 LL> Remaining silent in the matter is giving tacit
 LL> approval to what North Korea has done, just as those who remained
 LL> silent in regards to what the USA has done in regards to "enemy
 LL> combatants" being held at Gitmo.

No.
 
 >LL>You certainly had no problem discussing that political issue
 >LL>with Ward [Michiel].
 
 DS>I have not discussed that political issue with anyone.

 LL> The above quote are your own words to Michiel concerning the issues
 LL> of North Korea and Menno Blom.  Both issues are political in nature.

Both issues are political in nature, but I have not expressed my personal
opinions on either.
 
 >LL>But when I brought up the use of philosophical argument
 >LL>to stress a point, you went ballistic.  Why is that?
 
 DS>I did not go ballistic.  I simply refused to be pulled into
 DS>a political debate of any kind.

 LL> Really?  Your own words show otherwise -

I do not see how you can say that.

 LL> ====================================================================
 
 MVDV>And now the case of Ling and Lee.
 
 DS>Have you seen the evidence that they broke the law in North Korea?
 DS>In fact, have you seen any evidence that they were even in North
 DS>Korea? You seem as quick to judge that they were guilty as you are
 DS>to judge that Menno Blom was innocent.

 LL> ====================================================================

 LL> Seems like you went very ballistic on Michiel.  :)
 
In the first place, that statement was not written to you as you
claimed.  Nor would I consider it being "going ballistic" -- it was
pointing out the inconsistency in his opinions where he sides with which
ever opinion is Anti-USA.

 >LL>To say that you do not engage in political discussion is either
 >LL>a downright lie, or one of total ignorance.
 
 DS>Really, quote to me where I have given any statement of my personal
 DS>political opinion.

 LL> I just did.  :)

Not yet you haven't.  Nor can you.

                               Dale Shipp
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