Text 33581, 144 rader
Skriven 2009-06-22 18:02:26 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 33507 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
Ärende: Saberi vs Blom
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Hello Jeff,

On Saturday June 20 2009 17:40, you wrote to me:

 MV>> Like the people that will be killed by one of your guns if you
 MV>> are not stopped? C'mon Jeff, the children in the US were in no
 MV>> more danger to be molested than the people in The Netherlands are
 MV>> in danger of being killed by your guns.

 JS>    Not even a close comparison Michiel.

I beg to differ. Here gun addicts are considered dangerous. They can kill
people with their guns. That is why we have made laws to restrict gun addicts.
But we do not go so far as to lure gun addicts people from other countries into
our jurisdiction so that they can be stopped too.

 JS>>>  Blom was trying to have sex with what he thought was a child.

 MV>> Wrong.

 JS>    Hardly. Blom came to the US with the desire to have sex with a
 JS> child. Blom communicated with someone he thought was a child.

No, Blom ciommunicated with what IN YOUR PERCEPTION was a child.

 JS> Blom sent pictures of himself to this "Child". He obviously thought
 JS> he he was communicating with a child. Blom arrainged a meeting with
 JS> this "Child". These were all Blom's actions in trying to satisfy his
 JS> sexual desires regarding children.

Your repeated mention of the word "child" does not prove that Blom thought he
was trying top have sex with a chikd. It only proves that YOU think he thought
that.

 MV>>  The child exists in your mind and those who prosecuted him.

 JS>    Your attempts in trying to blame everyone but Blom for HIS
 JS> actions isnt working Michiel. Blom made the decisions

Blom was encouragede to make that decision.

 MV>> The child did not exist in the mind of Blom.

 JS>     And I suppose Blom told you this? Get real Michiel. Just who do
 JS> you think Blom thought he was trying to have sex with? A cop? A guy
 JS> with a short skirt and a frilly blouse?

I am npot a mind reader, so I can only guess. My guess is that he thought he
was going to meet what was presented to him: a willing young female. Possibly
something like this:

http://www.shodka.net/files/candy_christensen_06_145.jpg

It all depends on what you call a child Jeff. To me - and presumably to Blom as
well - the girl in the picture above is not a child.

THIS is a child:

http://img2.travelblog.org/Photos/1178/2910/f/9813-Kids-love-candy-1.jpg

And this:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1103/1414373213_90732b802d.jpg

I have no indication that THOSE were on Blom's mind when he chatted with the
cop.

 JS>  <g> If Blom was only interested in having sex with an adult. There
 JS> would have been many an opportunity at home

You do not know that and it is beside the point.

 JS>    Blom thought he was going to meet and have sex with a child. His
 JS> actions clearly illustrate that Michiel.

No, they do not. One can argue that he was out to have sex, but his actions do
not at all illustrate that what he was after was sex with what HE thought of as
a child.

 JS>     Yup, a young women of about 14. Them is children here Michiel.

But not HERE. Here we do not ahve such a narrow minded view. Blom was "here"
when the cop set his trap. Blom was here when ne chatted with "Dana". Blom was
here when he send the video. All those actions are not proof that he thought he
was dealing with a child.

 JS>>> If you keep trying to twist things so much you might end up
 JS>>> hurting yourself. All of you manipulation of the facts doesn't
 JS>>> change the fact that Blom made the decision to break the law and
 JS>>> was held responsible for his actions.

 MV>> I am not twisting any facts, it is you that are doing that.

 JS>     What do you call doing your best to shift the blame for Blom's
 JS> actions and decisions to anyone and everyone but Blom.

That is right, I am blaming the cop's actions for what happened to Blom.

 JS> His decision, his responsibility.

You keepo repeating that. Jeff you always claim your always try to look at
things from both sides, but the reality is that you are totally blind to any
other POV than your own.

You keep saying "his decision, his responsibility" but you are totally blind to
the fact that here we see things different. Here it is illegal to encourage
someone to commit a crime. Here if one successfully encourages someone to
commit a crime one automatically becomes an accomplice to that crime.

Here if it is a cop that encourages someone to commit a crime, that
automatically voids the case. The cop will be lucky if all he loses is his job.

 MV>> You say the cop "merely provided the opportunity". An interesting
 MV>> note is that "providing opportunity" translates into "gelegenheid
 MV>> geven". It is a well known legal term for "providing opportunity
 MV>> for unlawful sex". "Gelegenheid geven" is illegal in The
 MV>> Netherlands. Seldom enforced these days, but illegal it is. Seems
 MV>> to me the cop was doing exactly that. Or pretending to do anyway.

 JS>     Possibly in the Netherlands Michiel. But we are not talking about
 JS> the Netherlands are we??

But of course we are. Blom was in The Netherlands when the cop laid his trap.

 JS>  Your attempts to try to apply YOUR attitudes and YOUR laws is
 JS> meaningless and pointless.

Why? Are they any less than yours? It seems you are putting your laws and
morals over ours. You keep saying that what was done to Blom was ok by your
laws and morals, but you are totally blind to the fact that by our laws and
morals it is far from OK. And Blom was here when the cop paid his trap. If we
had our way, the cop would be in court as the accused.

By your attitude you show that you have no respect at all for other country's
law and morals. And I am sorry to say, but that attitude is typical American as
your official representatives share it. It is one of the reasons many people do
not like Americans. Too many of them are unable to see any other POV than their
own. You pull dirty tricks on us.


Cheers, Michiel

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