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Skriven 2009-06-22 23:37:17 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
Ärende: Saberi vs Blom
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Hello Jeff,

On Saturday June 20 2009 19:02, you wrote to me:

 JS>>> "Hey there little girl, I'm a child molestor. Want to have sex?".
 JS>>> Come on Joe.

 MV>> I do not see you introduce yourself as a gun addict. Why is that
 MV>> Jeff?

 JS>     I don't need guns.

Denial is a typical reaction of addicts when confronted with their addiction.
We have been through this before. In my POV you are a gun addict. Of course you
see it different, so you do not introduce yourself as one.

 MV>> I will give you a hint. Blom did not introduce himself as a child
 MV>> molestor because by OUR definition he is not. And he was here
 MV>> when he introduced himself.

 JS>    So I understand better.

What is there to understand? In this country one is not a child molestor until
one has actually done something to a child. Where is the child that Blom
molested?

 JS> An adult there who desires and acts upon those desires to have sex
 JS> with a child of say 10-14 years is legal and approved of there?

Why do you change the rules on the fly? Why do you now say "10-14 years"?

Let me say this. (But you already knew this) Sex with a fourteen year is not
illegal if the parents do not object.

 JS>>>    May the cop thought a child molester is a child molester.
 JS>>> Regardless of who they are or where they may be from.

 MV>> And where it went wrong is that he included "no matter where they
 MV>> are".

 JS>     It shouldn't matter where they are or what country they come from.

It should matter where they are. It matters if they are in a country where they
are not child molestors. If the cop still goes after them despite the fact that
where they are they are not child molestors, they are putting their laws above
that of another country. That is a breach of souvreignty.

 JS> What should matter is if and when a US law is broken on US soil.

Blom was not in US soil and so had not broken any law there when the cop laid
his trap.

 MV>> What if we took the same stance towards gun addicts? What if
 MV>> Dutch cops started actively hunting gun addicts in the US? (gun
 MV>> addicts by our definition of course) What if they started luring
 MV>> gun addicts to come to Dutch territory and then throw them in
 MV>> jail for being a gun addict?  What would you say if that happened
 MV>> to a US citizen? What if it happened to a friend? Your son?

 JS>     If someone from the US came there and broke a gun law there then
 JS> that person should be held responsible for their actions and the their
 JS> violation of the law there.

You are not answering the question. Which was what you would think if Dutch
cops started actively hunting American gun addicts in America (like you) and
lured them into Dutch jurisdiction in oredr to get them behind bars?

I did not expect you to answer that because the honest answer of course would
be that you would not like it at all. But if you admit that, you would
implicitly admit that I have good reason to be pissed off about what happened
to Blom.

Cheers, Michiel

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