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Skriven 2009-07-01 12:48:19 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 34000 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Guns and Banks
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01 Jul 09 07:36, Robert Bashe wrote to Roy Witt:

 RB> Roy Witt wrote to Ward Dossche on Tuesday June 30 2009 at 16:50:

 RW>> Not good enough. Sky marshalls are federal agents. Treaties between
 RW>> countries allow for cooperation among law enforcement agencies.

 RW>> How many El Al aircraft land in Europe everyday?

 RW>> No El Al passenger plane departs from any airport without 'sky
 RW>> marshalls' on board.

 RW>> How many British Airways land in mainland Europe everyday? Yeup,
 RW>> they carry 'sky marshalls' too.

 RW>> How many German airlines land in Europe (besides Germany) everyday?
 RW>> Yeup, you guessed it.

 RW>> And then there are the Canadian airlines...they have 'sky marshalls'
 RW>> on board too.

 RB> Roy, I hate to interrupt such a good story, but there are definitely
 RB> NO "sky marshalls" on German flights. The idea was soundly rejected
 RB> by parliament when it was proposed. And the pilots are NOT armed -
 RB> the pilot's assciation refused that.

Yeah, sure.

"U.S. officials said Germany law enforcement is providing full coverage of
flights by Lufthansa and other German-based carriers flying into the
United States. "They are stretched so thin they've had to rely on German
military officers to help out," one U.S. official said."

 WD>>> Pilots as a rule refuse to even have their plane pushed-back when
 WD>>> there is a fire-arm in the cabin.

 RW>> The pilot does what their employer says they do, or they don't fly
 RW>> company airplanes for a living. Just because the pilot is the
 RW>> captain of his ship, that doesn't mean he's sitting on a thrown.

 RB> But it _does_ mean that he has the final say on the aircraft.

Like I said, within the guidelines of their employer. If they say 'air
marshalls' shall fly on your airplane, they will fly on your airplane.

 RB> Do what he says or leave. The employer can replace him, of course,
 RB> but except in a very critical case (drunk pilot) will not.

First of all, he cannot refuse an air marshall even if he wanted to. And
to make Dossche's story even less believable, air marshalls don't fly
solo...see next:

 WD>>> Friend of mine captain on a wide-body in one of the majors quite
 WD>>> recently before departure from a European airport to a north
 WD>>> American destination told an air-marshall to check his weapon as
 WD>>> bagage and carry it in the hold of the aircraft or de-plane. As
 WD>>> long as the gun was in the cabin the pushback-request was not
 WD>>> made.

 RW>> That's pure BS or in the least an exception to the rule. I'm
 RW>> inclined to call it BS.

 RB> Dream on.

Keep you head in the clouds my boy...

 WD>>> The airmarshall deplaned and on deplaning was met by airpport
 WD>>> security to surrender his weapon.

 RW>> LOL! BS...

 RW>> As federal officers (government officer<>federal agent) they're
 RW>> exempt from such local BS...

 RB> The old crap about Americans being above the law, eh, Roy?

Reading comprehensin, Bob. How do you figure El Al gets away with armed
air marshalls? Israeli' have agreements with governments that allow for
them to be there legally.

 RB>  And their "federal status" in the States is worth zilch except in
 RB> the USA.

Wrong. See above.

 RB> But that kind of attitude is apparently not rare in the States

I was thinking the same thing about the arrogance of the Euro plebesites
who think they know everything.

 RB>  - I
 RB> can still remember the case of a guy being "arrested" (kidnapped) by
 RB> American agents in Italy - that caused quite a diplomatic flap, and
 RB> the Italians weren't a bit "amused".

Kinda like the arrest of Menno Blom...

                R\%/itt

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