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Skriven 2009-07-01 12:58:20 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 34005 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
Ärende: Guns and Banks (was: Saberi vs Blom)
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01 Jul 09 08:39, Ward Dossche wrote to Roy Witt:


 RW>> RW>> Doubt that...there would have to be a reason to arrest them and
 RW>> RW>> there isn't.

 RW>> WD> Carrying a weapon would be a good reason.

 RW>> Not good enough. Sky marshalls are federal agents. Treaties between
 RW>> countries allow for cooperation among law enforcement agencies.

 WD> US Federal Agents are merely ordinary citizens here. The moment they
 WD> walk down a jetway deplaning here carrying a weapon they have left US
 WD> soil and are breaking the law.

LOL! But they don't get arrested...

 RW>> How many El Al aircraft land in Europe everyday?

 RW>> No El Al passenger plane departs from any airport without 'sky
 RW>> marshalls' on board.

 WD> There's a difference ... they stay on board, hence the problem
 WD> doesn't pose itself. Mark the word I used: "deplaning".

Who are you kidding? They 'deplane' too.

 RW>> How many British Airways land in mainland Europe everyday? Yeup,
 RW>> they carry 'sky marshalls' too.

 RW>> How many German airlines land in Europe (besides Germany) everyday?
 RW>> Yeup, you guessed it.

 WD> There are no sky marshalls on intra-European BA flights. Same with
 WD> Lufthansa.

No one has said otherwise.

"U.S. officials said Germany law enforcement is providing full coverage of
flights by Lufthansa and other German-based carriers flying into the
United States. "They are stretched so thin they've had to rely on German
military officers to help out," one U.S. official said."

 RW>> And then there are the Canadian airlines...they have 'sky marshalls'
 RW>> on board too.

 WD> If they come here and deplane with their weapon, they will be
 WD> arrested. If they leave their weapon on the plane they break another
 WD> law.

LOL! BS.

 RW>> WD> Pilots as a rule refuse to even have their plane pushed-back
 RW>> when
 RW>> WD> there is a fire-arm in the cabin.

 RW>> The pilot does what their employer says they do, or they don't fly
 RW>> company airplanes for a living. Just because the pilot is the
 RW>> captain of his ship, that doesn't mean he's sitting on a thrown.

 WD> Oh yes, he/she sits on a "throne" and does exactly as he/she pleases.
 WD> I can imagine a US pilot would be fired over something like that.
 WD> Fact is there is such a shortage of qualified people they could
 WD> theoretically keep flying until 80.

Not likely...there are plenty of people retiring from military service who
want those jobs. If anything, there's a waiting list.

 WD> If the captain deems anything as "unsafe" the plane will not move an
 WD> inch. It's not a matter of calling a relief pilot and leaving with a
 WD> 10-minute delay. The plane just doesn't move <period>.

That depends on what company policy says. If it says that there will be
an air marshall on board, there will be. I would think that too many
delays like that would mean no job sooner than later.

 RW>> WD> Friend of mine captain on a wide-body in one of the majors quite
 RW>> WD> recently before departure from a European airport to a north
 RW>> American
 RW>> WD> destination told an air-marshall to check his weapon as bagage
 RW>> and
 RW>> WD> carry it in the hold of the aircraft or de-plane. As long as the
 RW>> gun
 RW>> WD> was in the cabin the pushback-request was not made.

 RW>> That's pure BS or in the least an exception to the rule. I'm
 RW>> inclined to call it BS.

 WD> You may call it as you wish.

I call it like I see it.

 WD> I know of captains who refused to move their plane on deportation
 WD> flights as long as there was an armed LEO inside.

And the next day he was looking for a job.

 RW>> WD> The airmarshall deplaned and on deplaning was met by airpport
 RW>> WD> security to surrender his weapon.

 RW>> LOL! BS...

 RW>> As federal officers (government officer<>federal agent) they're
 RW>> exempt from such local BS...

 WD> Not here ... they are just American tourists when they get here. The
 WD> EU has no bilateral agreements about this and even adamantly refuses
 WD> to negotiate them.

I see that denial isn't just a river in Eygpt...

                R\%/itt

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