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Skriven 2009-08-10 15:49:00 av WAYNE CHIRNSIDE (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av ROY WITT
Ärende: affordable health care
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-=> ROY WITT wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

 RW> 10 Aug 09 12:26, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE wrote to ROBERT BASHE:


 =>> ROBERT BASHE wrote to JEFF SMITH <=-

 RB>> Jeff Smith wrote to David Drummond on Sunday August 09 2009 at
 RB>> 23:30:

 JS>> When does the baby's life start? At conception or at the baby's
 JS>> first breath?

 RB>> That's the first question. The second is "who has the right to
 RB>> decide other people's lives without risking his own wealth and
 RB>> reputation?"

 WC> The Republican party that's who!

 RW> Wrong.

 WC> Remember Terri Schiavo?

 RW> Yes.

 WC> She was a local event as her nursing home was 10 miles north of here.

 RW> So?

 WC> A Republican member of Congress who is also a doctor stated
 WC> that Terri Schiavo was responsive and so not brain dead.

 RW> And so she was. But her husband decided that she wasn't and ordered her
 RW> life support to be removed in spite of her parents wishes that she
 RW> remain alive.

She was not alive in any sentient sense of the word, she was a vegetable
as visually demonstrated by her Pet scan, her _brain_ was liquified.

Her HUSBAND was the one who should have had made her
end of life decisions in conjuction with prevailing medical opinion
she had ZERO chance for recovery.

No brain, no person.

 WC> A medical teaching university posted Terri Schiavo's PET scan
 WC> showing most of her brain matter was *gone* replaced only
 WC> with fluid with bits and pieces of brain none connected to the brain
 WC> stem. Maybe 15 - 20 percent.

 RW> "So how can Judge Greer ignore the opinions of so many qualified
 RW> neurologists, some of whom are leaders in the field? The answer is that
 RW> Michael Schiavo, his attorney George Felos, and Judge Greer already
 RW> have the diagnosis they want.

Wannt had nothing to do with it.
Michael Schiavo initially worked hard to see she be kept
alive until it was proven to him she had no chance for recovery
at which point he conveyed her wishes she not be on life support with 
no chance at recovery.

I've seen Terri Schiavo's PET scan, have you?
Sent a copy to my sister Dr. Coughlin too.

 RW> Terri's diagnosis was arrived at without the benefit of testing that
 RW> most neurologists would consider standard for diagnosing PVS. One such
 RW> test is MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging). MRI is widely used today,
 RW> even for ailments as simple as knee injuries - but Terri has never had
 RW> one. Michael has repeatedly refused to consent to one. The neurologists
 RW> I have spoken to have reacted with shock upon learning this fact. One
 RW> such neurologist is Dr. Peter Morin. He is a researcher specializing in
 RW> degenerative brain diseases, and has both an M.D. and a Ph.D. in
 RW> biochemistry from Boston University.

What about the Positron Emissive Tomography scan that WAS done,
it was conclusive beyond any doubt.
No brain, no Terri

 RW> In the course of my conversation with Dr. Morin, he made reference to
 RW> the standard use of MRI and PET (Positron Emission Tomography) scans to
 RW> diagnose the extent of brain injuries. He seemed to assume that these
 RW> had been done for Terri. I stopped him and told him that these tests
 RW> have never been done for her; that Michael had refused them.

The PET scan was done.
I saw and downloaded it as well as sent it to my sister Dr. Coughlin.
It was later withdrawn from the medical .edu site for medical
ethical reasons.

But while it was available it was used in a course teaching medical ethics.

 RW> There was a moment of dead silence. "

 RW> By Reverend Robert Johansen

 RB>> The second a government and/or church and/or antiabortion group
 RB>> makes a legally enforceable pledge to financially care for unwanted
 RB>> children is the second my opinion in this matter will change. Until
 RB>> then, I remain the opinion that people who want to decide for others
 RB>> must also accept the financial consequances. Anything else is pure
 RB>> hypocrisy.

 WC> If this is a free country  let it be the woman's choice.

 RW> That's why Roe v Wade is still the guideline.

 WC> The brain doesn't develop until the second trimester anyway making
 WC> the fetus no more human nor sentient than a testicular cancer tumor.

 RW> Wrong. The brain is developed during the 1st trimester.


 RW> Week 5: The embryonic period begins

Which has no brain.
Doesn't develop until second trimester, when during that period
is still subject to argument.

 RW> Illustration of embryo three weeks after conception     Fetal
 RW> development three weeks after conception

Development, a blastocyst without any brain development.


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