Text 4420, 65 rader
Skriven 2007-07-14 22:35:08 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
   Kommentar till text 4244 av Björn Felten (2:203/2)
Ärende: Constructive criticism
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Hello Björn.

12 Jul 07 08:57, you wrote to me:

 BF>    If only I could understand why some of you have such a hard time
 BF> differentiating the role of the echo moderator and that of the Snooze
 BF> editor. They are mutually exclusive.

 BF>    The moderating debate we've already had here several years ago.
 BF> Except for a vocal minority it was agreed that we should have no more
 BF> of the typical Z1 moderating here, with the moderator being a
 BF> dictator, judge, jury and executioner in one person, but rather the Z2
 BF> style based on cooperation where every participant takes his
 BF> responsibility for keeping the echo clean.

     That's the primary concern with you isn't it? Beyond everything else
up to and including the wellfare of Fidonews itself. That being that it is
in zone 2 control. Or as you have stated "The Z2 way of doing things". Why
are you so zonally minded? Is it THAT important to you that (In your eyes)
Z2 remain in control? In reality I don't look at it as Z2 control. I see
it more as Felten control. It is Felten who seems to think that it is a Z2
thing. I don't see why it matters where the moderator or the editor comes
from. Either nationally or zonally. The primary concerns IMHO should be.
Is the person capable and can that person be effective and impartial in
their treatment of others without letting their personal views and beliefs
affect their duties as moderator or editor. So far Björn you have shown us
just how MUCH you let your personal views affect you abilities to moderate.


 BF>    Needless to say, it's the very same vocal minority,

      As I stated in another post you are the vocal minority. You and a
few supporters who are trying to dictate the way things should be run.
And trying to shift the responsibility for the current conditions anywhere
except where it rightly belongs. You are responsible for the current and past
condition of this echo. When you failed or gave up in trying to be the
moderator here. You then gave the responsibility and the blame to the users
themselves. Telling them to moderate themselves and then blaming everyone
but yourself for the current problems. Problems that you did very little if
anything to prevent.

     Your ongoing expressions of prejustice and bias of people based on
their nationality or religion. Your blatant use of double standards in
this echo. Your continual violation of your own rules. And your
re-interpretation of those rules to exempt your own behavior. Your ongoing
insults and name calling. All of this and I would think more in the same
echo that you would like us to believe that you effectively moderate.

 BF>  that still haven't accepted that they lost the discussion several
 BF> years ago, that still tries to stir up the echo.

     If you seriously wish the debate to stop. You know what needs to be
done and you are the one that needs to do it. Surprize us all Björn and
do the right thing.

 BF> No "suggestions" in the world will change that, only that *you* guys
 BF> tell them to act like adults.

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Jeff

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