Text 4530, 103 rader
Skriven 2007-07-16 08:55:38 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
   Kommentar till text 4509 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
Ärende: do the math
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Hello David.

16 Jul 07 20:44, you wrote to me:

 DD> Jeff Smith -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>>> Have you never expressed your personal view in this echo - as a
 DD>>> sysop?

 JS>>      Sure I have as have practically everyone here I would think.
 JS>> The differance is that when I was a moderator of an echo. I made
 JS>> every effort to not express my personal views IN the echo I
 JS>> moderated. I did not want my personal views to affect my duties
 JS>> as moderator. In fact unless a user also seen me post in other
 JS>> echos they were not even aware of my personal views in the echo I
 JS>> moderated.

 DD> When you were a moderator were you unable to separate that from your
 DD> being as a sysop? Poor you.

    On the contrary. I did not have a problem separarting the roles and
keeping them separate. It made my job as moderator alot easier when I
expressed my personal views in other forums and kept them out of the echo
I moderated.


 DD> All sysops have as much right as each other to express an opinion.


     Yes, all SysOp's have the right of expression. BUT, the key is if
they have the wisdom to know when it is best to not express themselves.
That would hold true for users but especially for moderators.

 JS>>>> People look at Fidonews and
 JS>>>> take a look in this echo and see the chaos and bickering and
 JS>>>> loose any interest they might of otherwise had in contributing.

 DD>>> Then stop doing it, take you admonishments elsewhere.

 JS>>      I could but the source of the problem here would still
 JS>> remain. The problem will remain until Björn decides to moderate
 JS>> effectively or until a new moderator/editor is found. I will
 JS>> remain to see that the problem is resolved.

 DD> How can he moderate any more effectively? The prime offenders ignore
 DD> his moderation requests. Not being an executioner there is very little
 DD> else he can do.

     He has dug the hole that he finds himself in David. The prime offenders
ignore him because (In part) he has made them want to ignore him based
of his actions. Some of the blame needs to go to the users too. But a
moderator only makes his/her job worse when they end up alienating the users.

 JS>>>> It is true that you
 JS>>>> can not publish articles that people do not write. But if you
 JS>>>> influence people in not wanting to contribute to the Fidonews.
 JS>>>> You are helping toward the demise of the Fidonews.

 DD>>> What can you do about it? Maybe you could publish an interesting
 DD>>> article each week for the next few weeks and spark up some
 DD>>> enthusiasm?

 JS>>      I think that can be said of all of us David.

 DD> I've been published in this echo - over quite a few weeks. I think
 DD> that those who are most distressed by the lack of articles should be
 DD> the first to submit - they should "lead" by example.

     Works for me. It would be nice if people could set aside their dislike
of the current moderator/editor and submit articles anyway. But sadly I
don't expect any increase in articles with the current situation.


 DD>>> No - of course you won't, it's easier to bitch about the
 DD>>> encumbent -

 JS>>      Actually I honestly dislike bitching and complaining. The
 JS>> primary reason I don't write much is that I am not as proficiant
 JS>> at writing as I would like to be. Should have spent more time
 JS>> studdying english in school I guess.

 DD> Let the editor tidy up your submission - after all, that _is_ his
 DD> role.

     It's just a personal thing David. I think that what I write should
convey what I am trying to say. And it annoys me when I know what I want
to say but can't find the right verbage to say it. If you mean putting in
missed periods or commas, Etc. That would be fine.


 DD> --

 DD> regards

 DD> David

 DD> ---
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Jeff

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