Text 4560, 121 rader
Skriven 2007-07-16 22:15:42 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
   Kommentar till text 4557 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
Ärende: do the math
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Hello David.

17 Jul 07 08:54, you wrote to me:

 DD> Hello Jeff.

 DD> 16 Jul 07 08:55, you wrote to me:

 DD>>> When you were a moderator were you unable to separate that from
 DD>>> your being as a sysop? Poor you.

 JS>>     On the contrary. I did not have a problem separarting the
 JS>> roles and keeping them separate. It made my job as moderator alot
 JS>> easier when I expressed my personal views in other forums and
 JS>> kept them out of the echo I moderated.

 DD> But... this is as suitable outlet for his opinions as any other echo.
 DD> Why should the rest of the Fidonet sysops get to post here, but he is
 DD> forbidden. Is such discrimination a normal thing in your way of life?

     Do you choose not to undestand? It isn't a matter of discrimination
and he is not forbidden. If anything it is a matter of common sense. If
someone knowingly acts in a manner that makes their job needlessly harder.
That to me shows a lack of common sense. No one is forbidding Felten
anyhing. That is only what you are suggesting it to be. He has any number
of forums to express himself. If Felten chooses to alienate people in the
echo that he is trying to moderate. It would seem that either he doesn't
care about the Fidonews echo and it intended purpose or he is more
interested in using the Fidonews echo for his own personal platform. In
either case Fidonet and Fidonews suffers.


 DD>>> All sysops have as much right as each other to express an
 DD>>> opinion.

 JS>>      Yes, all SysOp's have the right of expression. BUT, the key
 JS>> is if they have the wisdom to know when it is best to not express
 JS>> themselves. That would hold true for users but especially for
 JS>> moderators.

 DD> Moderators are just people too - they're not gods of any sort.

     Someone doesn't have to be a God to use common sense David.

 DD> [...]
 DD>>> How can he moderate any more effectively? The prime offenders
 DD>>> ignore his moderation requests. Not being an executioner there
 DD>>> is very little else he can do.

 JS>>      He has dug the hole that he finds himself in David. The
 JS>> prime offenders ignore him because (In part) he has made them
 JS>> want to ignore him based of his actions. Some of the blame needs
 JS>> to go to the users too. But a moderator only makes his/her job
 JS>> worse when they end up alienating the users.

 DD> Some of the users are very well behaved.

     Yes they are and I would say that they are probably smarter than us
too. As they are smart enough to avoid the temptation to join in the chaos.

 DD> Do you think he should back down and crawl to those few Z1
 DD> rabble-rousers? Would than improve his standing in their eyes then?

     Back down from what? Most of what we see Felten do is post his
anti-american messages. There is no need for Felten to crawl to anyone.
An effective moderator wouldn't have to.


 DD> [...]
 DD>>> I've been published in this echo - over quite a few weeks. I
 DD>>> think that those who are most distressed by the lack of articles
 DD>>> should be the first to submit - they should "lead" by example.

 JS>>      Works for me. It would be nice if people could set aside
 JS>> their dislike of the current moderator/editor and submit articles
 JS>> anyway. But sadly I don't expect any increase in articles with
 JS>> the current situation.

 DD> Why do they dislike the current moderator? What is it about his
 DD> moderation habits that pisses them off?

     Many dislike him based on his posts as a user. Many dislike him as
a moderator because they see him as non-existant in that capacity. Many
see him as a modrator only caring about using the Fidonews echo to express
his own personal ideas and not use the Fidonews echo for it's intended
purpose. These are but a few things that I think piss people off about
Felten as the moderator.

 DD> [...]
 JS>>>>      Actually I honestly dislike bitching and complaining. The
 JS>>>> primary reason I don't write much is that I am not as
 JS>>>> proficiant at writing as I would like to be. Should have spent
 JS>>>> more time studdying english in school I guess.

 DD>>> Let the editor tidy up your submission - after all, that _is_
 DD>>> his role.

 JS>>      It's just a personal thing David. I think that what I write
 JS>> should convey what I am trying to say. And it annoys me when I
 JS>> know what I want to say but can't find the right verbage to say
 JS>> it. If you mean putting in missed periods or commas, Etc. That
 JS>> would be fine.

 DD> have you tried putting pen to paper... er.. finger to keyboard? Until
 DD> you start typing it you will never get in in a state suitable for
 DD> publishing.

     That's usually how I have to end up doing it. Sit down and start with
an empty page. (Like Duh... <g>) And then just do my best to transfer my
thoughts onto the page. Where I get annoyed is when I keep trying to find a
better way to say something.

 DD> David

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Jeff

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