Text 4564, 96 rader
Skriven 2007-07-17 08:15:49 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
   Kommentar till text 4541 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
Ärende: R&R exchanging insults
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 BF>> If you or Roger did a good job as an editor, why not let you keep it and
 BF>> then take up the question about being a moderator at a later point.

 JS>      Ok, first who would decide?

This was only a proposal to do something about the present locked situation.
I don't have the answers, maybe some kind of voting procedure......?

 JS> Would this merely be a tactic to help in
 JS> the defense of Felten or would this really be an attept to make this echo
 JS> and Fidonews itself better? I know it sounds like I am totally, absolutely
 JS> against Felten. That really isn't the case. I would rather work with
 JS> Felten than insist that he leave. But he himself has made that next to
 JS> impossible.

Yours and Rogers obstinacy about not submiting anything is just as being as
stubborn as he is. You all have your agenda and none is giving anything up.

  BF>> So far I really haven't understood why you think that The Snooze is so
 BF>> important? What good does it do?

 JS>      Now? Not nearly as much today but then look at the condition it is
 JS> in.

But it can't be the editors fault that you and others refuse to send in
articles.
That decision is yours.

 JS> The Fidonews is still important and is a historic part of Fidonet.

History changes and perhaps it was important back when there were
thousands of nodes and points but that's not how it is today.

 JS> The
 JS> Fidonews and the Fidonet nodelist of course are what defines what Fidonet
 JS> is. Yes, Fidonews is in disrepair but that can be changed given someone
 JS> with the willingness to try. Will results be immediate? Most likely not
 JS> but in time with sustained effort the Fidonews echo and the Fidonews can
 JS> once again be something to admire about Fidonet instead of somthing to
 JS> just ignore as is the case currently.

Fidonet is shrinking for every day and if you count the number of people
posting
here, is it 20? I don't think they bother as much about Fidonews as you do.
With Shannon closing down and from what I read Dale Ross' system have been
down for weeks and Doc's Place might shut down......

 BF>>  Things can be discussed here without it and if you say that the rules
 BF>> for FIDONEWS are like that, change the rules so it will fit to what it is
 BF>> today.

 JS>      As moderator I would have no problem discussing things in this echo
 JS> that have been published in Fidonews. That is after all the intended
 JS> purpose of this echo.

As I said, things change and we have to accept that.

 JS> This echo should not be used to replace the Fidonews
 JS> newsletter but instead to augment the Fidonews and provide a forum for
 JS> expansion and discussion of ideas and thoughts raised in the Fidonews.

If you look around, this echo, win 95 and COOKING are almost the only one
with some kind that have something we can call traffic. Changing this echo
to something that would suit you and Roger would probably kill it definatly.

 JS> This echo should not be allowed to be a free-for-all where people's only
 JS> purpose appears to be to feed the chaos.

Tell that to the people that feed the chaos.

 JS> I would not rule with and iron
 JS> fist as I am sure some would be likely to suggest. It would take time to
 JS> earn the respect necessary to be effective. But I would hope that when
 JS> people see that they would get treated the same if friend or foe. That
 JS> they would accept moderations even if they did not agree with me and/or
 JS> the moderation. I am the first to admit that I have flaws in both mind and
 JS> attitude. A fact that I am sure would be pointed out posthaste.

A chain isn't stronger than its weakest link. Get rid of those and you'll have
a
strong chain.

 BF>>  Everything else around us changes and today when Fido is
 BF>> shrinking we just have to adjust us to it and accept that Fido isn't what
 BF>> it used to be.

 JS>      How effective has the attempts to make changes in Fidonet been? That
 JS> should not keep us from trying even though we know what an uphill fight it
 JS> would be.

Most have found a parking spot on their way up that hill and have accepted
the view since it's impossible to move a mountain.

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