Text 4605, 96 rader
Skriven 2007-07-17 16:50:22 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
   Kommentar till text 4587 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
Ärende: R&R exchanging insults
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Hello David.

17 Jul 07 21:07, you wrote to me:

 DD> Jeff Smith -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>>> - ones who ran the echo the way you like?

 JS>>      It is really irrelevant. There are a number of ways that the
 JS>> echo can be "run". What is important is that the echo have a
 JS>> moderator that is willing to moderate. I am not suggesting a iron
 JS>> fist. But instead somone who will step up when needed and take
 JS>> action but can also step back when not needed.

 DD> Yep that's Bjorn.

     I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about Bjorn Felten.

 DD>  Only problem is that the rabble refuse to be moderated. After a while
 DD> the willingness lags a little.

     When you consider Feltens moderating technique of posting rules and
breaking most of them himself. And considering his behavior in the Fidonews
echo there is little wonder that people refuse to be moderated by him.
People have to consider him the moderator in more than name only before they
will accept his moderations.

 DD> More headway can be made pushing molten butter up a porcupine's arse
 DD> with a red hot needle.

     Not a task that would have occured to me.

 JS>> Someone who can put personal feelings aside and is willing to
 JS>> communicate evenly and fairly to all.

 DD> Yep, that's Bjorn. He has always issued his moderator edicts in just
 DD> and fair manner.

     Do you offer hipboots with those statements?  <g>

 JS>> Someone who is willing to try to earn the respect
 JS>> of the echo partcipants but not at any cost.

 DD> Please define respect. I suspect it means something different to you
 DD> than it does to me.

    "Respect" in this context means to me that if I respected Felten as
moderator. Even though I may disagree with him, his views , or his
moderation. I recognize or believe that he will treat people fairly
and equally. That he will not let his personal views affect his ability
to moderate and that he will show by example the behavior he expects in
Fidonews echo.

    So far Felten has done little to earn that respect. If fact he has
done a number of things that serve to eliminate any respect that many
might of had. That is why I have stated that felten's worst enemy is
himself.

 JS>> My view is that if one is fair and impartial in their dealings
 JS>> with people.

 DD> Bjorn has always been fair in his moderation duties.

     To everyone or mainly those that agree with him? It is hard to judge
someone's fairness if you never see them moderate. I know, he likes to
moderate behind the scenes. The last time I polled some of those that he
would have moderated. None stated that Felten had sent then any form of
moderation communications. But Felten's handfull of supporters were quick
to repond how quick and responsive he was to them.

     Well, let's look at the echo to see the results of Felten's moderating
abilities.

     Chaos, name calling, insults, swearing. And that is just from the person
who is also the moderator.

 JS>> Those people will often times see that and react in a positive
 JS>> way by offering respect. Even if they wouldn't normally agree
 JS>> with the moderator.

 DD> You seem fixated with this "respect" concept. I look forward to
 DD> hearing what it means to you.

 DD> --

 DD> regards

 DD> David

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Jeff

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