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Skriven 2007-09-09 00:23:52 av Janis Kracht (1:261/38)
     Kommentar till en text av Martin Atkins
Ärende: Re: Global Warming
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Hello Martin,

>>>  What do you do for a living, Martin?
>> I'm retired.
>> So you're not a climatologist then.

> Is in necessary to be a musician to enjoy and appreciate the

You are contradicting virtually every planetary climagolgist on Earth.  What
I'm trying to determine is whether you have the credentials to do that.. or if
you are just blowing smoke.

>> And you?

>> I'm a programmer.  I don't pretend to know better than scientists when
>> it comes to the global warming and climate changes we're seeing on this
>> planet.

> All people are open to question when it comes to reasoning debate.
> Labels matter not one jot without demonstrational evidence from
> any participants taking part.

We are not speaking of 'labels', Martin.

> since none of us can be experts in all things, we must turn to those
> who have studied particular avenues for guidance. Indeed most of
> information i have used is sourced from physicists articles.

And you think this is information that climatologists haven't seen and either
accounted for, or dismissed?

> If you took more interest in physics you would know that any
> experimental outcome only produces a result that will be overwhelmingly
> probable if all external factors and all known inputs are accounted for.
> When it comes to the earths weather patterns over periods of time
> there are many external and internal factors that must be computed.
> There is also human politics influencing the debate itself.

That is pretty insulting, Martin. I will ignore your comment and ascribe it to
idiocy. Btw, that is why they use supercomputers to analyze weather. And if you
took more interest in life in general (or science in general) you'd know that
is true.

For example... When a computer model is built, it's predictive power is tested
against known periods of the past and if necessary, the model is refined. When
a model can consistently properly predict past periods it generally accepted to
be a good model.  But even then, the model isn't static.. it is constantly
refined to increase it's accuracy.  When the best models independantly
developed by leading climatologists align to predict similar futures it takes a
bit more than the abilitity to add one plus one to dismiss those models and
their predictions.... especially when later developments validate the
predictions.

> Perhaps in your world you have never found your self appointed
> intellectually superior messiahs wanting but in my life experience
> i have found that some of those with the biggest labels are the
> worst possible frauds.

The most intelligent people I have ever known never had to put a false front.
I'll grant you that there are some pompous buffoons, but we're not talking
about a stray voice here or there, we're talking about an overwhelming
consenus.

Take care,
Janis

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