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Skriven 2007-04-30 09:49:36 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
     Kommentar till en text av bob klahn
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30 Apr 07 00:34, bob klahn wrote to Roy Witt:

 bk>  ...

 bk>>>>>  Oh, it's not against the law to be a racist, just immoral.

 RW>>>> Oh yeah? Try painting some swasticas on the walls of a
 RW>>>> jewish temple and drawing attention to your racist act by
 RW>>>> standing at the curb, waving a Nazi flag.

 bk>>>  Waving a nazi flag on the corner is not illegal.

 RW>> I didn't say it was.

 bk>  Then your part about the flag was moot.

Not really. The flag was/is used to draw attention to the Nazi works on
the wall of the jewish temple. That part went right over your head.

 bk>>> Vandalizing someone else's property is, even if it's Christian
 bk>>> symbols on a Christian church. If it's unwanted it's vandalism, and
 bk>>> illegal.

 bk>>> OTOH, you can stand out in front of that synagog with your
 bk>>> nazi flag and it's not illegal. Oh, sorry, you might have
 bk>>> to keep walking. Standing still is loitering.

 RW>> And you better keep your mouth shut, because anything you
 RW>> might say, could be construed as racist.

 bk>  Which is not illegal.

Sure it isn't.

 bk>>>>>  It's against the law to discriminate on the basis of race...
 bk>>>>>  sometimes, but not all the time.

 RW>>>> Oh shit...I split the line again...oh well, not to worrry,
 RW>>>> you were wrong on the first count and wrong on the second
 RW>>>> count as well.

 bk>>>  Nope. Right on both counts.

 RW>> Wrong, in the context you provided...

 bk>  Nope.

Yeup.

 bk>>> It's not illegal to allow access to your home on the basis of race.
 bk>>> Whether you can discriminate in business depends on what
 bk>>> discrimination, and what state.

 RW>> Federal discrimination laws don't know state boundrys.

 bk>  But there are things that are discriminatory but not illegal
 bk>  under federal law. Then it's a matter of if it's illegal under
 bk>  state law.

Then you're saying it's still illegal.

 bk>>>>>  And it's not against the law to discriminate against someone who
 bk>>>>>  is unable to do the job, and do it safely.

 RW>> Neither would that be discrimination...that would be a
 RW>> determination based on skill and/or knowledge, or the lack
 RW>> of it.

 bk>  Which is a form of discrimination.

 RW>>>> I witnessed this during my tenure as a manufacturing
 RW>>>> engineer at a fare collection systems builder in San Diego.

 RW>>>> "You can't fire me, I'm your token nigger!" said the black
 RW>>>> who had just ruined $75,000 dollars worth of fare
 RW>>>> collection equipment being built for the Bay Area Rapid
 RW>>>> Transit Authority in SF.

 RW>>>> "I can fire you, because I'm replacing you with another
 RW>>>> token!" said the supervisor who was firing that person.

 bk>>>  Saying that might just have gotten him in trouble, had someone
 bk>>>  had the insight and interest to pursue it.

 RW>> Doubtful.

 RW>>>> And he did, but he wasn't black, he was yellow.

 bk>>>  Which, again, could get the supervisor in trouble, due to how he
 bk>>>  described it.

 RW>> The firee made the case for the use of 'token', not the
 RW>> supervisor.

 bk>  If he just claimed he was referring to the supervisor's
 bk>  attitude, that could well be enough to carry it.

 bk>  ...

 RW>>>> You're the one who's always throwing discrimination in the
 RW>>>> face of those who argue with you...turn around is fair play.

 bk>>>  Well, that's false.

 RW>> Not really...

 bk>  Yeah, really.

 RW>>>> LOL! Yeah, but that's not called discrimination... :o)

 bk>>>  You obvously are not a person of discriminating taste in food,
 bk>>>  entertainment, or women.

 RW>> Right you are there. One with a higher education than the
 RW>> riff raff you must run with, who call it discrimination.

 bk>  It is discrimination. But it is legal. Look up the word.

 bk>  ...

 bk>>>  I am not familiar with your training or experience, but you
 bk>>>  still have to guarantee that someone who is trained and
 bk>>>  experienced will be there when needed.

 RW>> You talk like a chemically imbalanced person will go off
 RW>> their rocker in the flash of an instant...from sane to
 RW>> crazy...it's a longer process than that. Sometimes it takes
 RW>> weeks to manifest itself to the point where even a
 RW>> professional could recognize it happening.

 RW>> My first 3 years of experience with it proved that.

 bk>  So, that means the person would be well gone before it was even
 bk>  recognized.

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