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Skriven 2007-11-08 13:22:44 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
   Kommentar till text 7486 av Stewart Arnett (3:772/100)
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07 Nov 07 15:23, Stewart Arnett wrote to Roy Witt:

 SA> Hello Roy.

 SA> 05 Nov 07 16:02, you wrote to Carol Shenkenberger:

 RW>> 04 Nov 07 10:54, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Roy Witt:

 CS>>>  -=> Quoting Roy Witt to David Drummond <=-

 DD>>>> The bible actually has positive comments regarding the
 DD>>>> consumption of alcohol...

 RW>>>> Your source is?

 CS>>> Probably the bible <g>.  I'm not recalling it being 'glorified'
 CS>>> but accepted usage was fine and you see it all over.  Glass of
 CS>>> wine. Holy grail, water into wine miracle for a wedding, etc.
 CS>>> Also stories about it being bad to get blotto.

 RW>> Hmmm, alcohol wasn't in the 'wine' spoken of in the bible. The drink
 RW>> was stated as being un-fermented, which makes it grape juice.

 SA> Then how come Noah got so pissed he collapsed naked in his tent ?

Because he used wine in excess...the bible warns you of doing that too.

 SA> Un-fermented grape juice turns sour very quickly, it was thus usually
 SA> fermented lightly to preserve the juice as "wine", lightly being 5 to
 SA> 7% by voluum.

Some claim the alcohol content of 'lightly' fermented wine is 12-14
percent.


 CS>>> One of the more interesting tales in the OT is about a girl who
 CS>>> gets married and the son dies.  According to the proper rules of
 CS>>> behavior, she was to marry the next son and have children to her
 CS>>> dead husbands memory with him.  Well, she married the next one
 CS>>> and he died too.  I forget how many sons she goes through but
 CS>>> seem to recall the last one skips town or something.  So, what
 CS>>> does she do?

 CS>>> She dresses up as a harlot, finds the father blotto in his tent
 CS>>> (maybe she helps him get that way, been a bit since I've read
 CS>>> this part).  Takes advantage of him in his sodden state, and
 CS>>> finally gets pregnant (apparently the sons all died before she
 CS>>> was able to have sex is the implication).

 CS>>> The father cries all sorts of bloody murder but she gets
 CS>>> exonerated as having done the right thing.  Cultures change, and
 CS>>> she was in the right at that time as per the rules of proper
 CS>>> behavior ;-)

 CS>>> I think they kept that story as a lesson on not getting drunk.
 CS>>> Its also brought up as a lesson on how it's not nessecarily what
 CS>>> you do, but why you do it that counts.            xxcarol

 RW>> I don't recall anything like that story being in the Bible.

 SA> Probably Carol is mixing two places, Matthew 22:25 - 22:28 and Lot's
 SA> seduction by his daughters with lots of wine over a couple of days.
 SA> Genesis 19:32 - 19:35.

Lucky bastard.

                R\%/itt


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