Text 8324, 117 rader
Skriven 2007-12-17 22:54:08 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
   Kommentar till text 8283 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: George W. Bush
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Hello Michiel.

17 Dec 07 21:29, you wrote to me:

 MV> Hello Jeff,

 MV> On Monday December 17 2007 13:11, you wrote to me:

 JS>>>>     It pretty much depends on how it was stated don't you
 JS>>>> think? Just like your insults about other people and their
 JS>>>> countries.

 MV>>> To me it looks like it very much depends on *who* says it.

 JS>>      To the extent that one can become accustomed to insults
 JS>> coming from certain individuals, yes.

 MV> No, to the extend that you only respond to perceived insults coming
 MV> from this side of the pond.

     Could there be a rather obvious reason for that?

 MV>>>  Once again you are selective in your indignation. You said
 MV>>> nothing when Ross made some derogatory remarks about "Diana
 MV>>> sacrificing her fucking life".

 JS>>     Derogatory to who? Diana did sacrifice her life to the
 JS>> overzelousness of the paparazzi and the stupidity of her security
 JS>> people.

 MV> Then why the "f" word?

     Probably because some are more prone to the use of the word than
others. I took it that Ross was trying to emphasize the fact that Diana
paid with her life. As in "She paid with her "F'ing" life.

The "F" word is a very versitile word. It can be used as a verb, both
transitive and intransitive. It can be an action verb, a passive verb,
an adverb, or as a noun. The "F" word can also be used as an adjective
or an interjection. It can even be used as a conjunction.

   In this case I did not take Ross's use of the word as derogatory towards
Diana or anyone else. Did he need to use the "F" word? Of course not. But
then again niether does Björn. Who has used the same word on many occasions
here in both insulting and non-insulting ways.


 MV>>> You said nothing when the same person made a very insulting
 MV>>> remark about European countries being weak and easily concurred.

 JS>>      I didn't respond because I didn't read that message.

 MV> Seems you are selectve in your reading then. Mind you, you have used
 MV> that excuse before.

     Same old line Michiel. You label me whatever is necessary to try to
make some point. The simple fact is that I like many others I would think
don't read every message in this or any other echo. I respond to what I
read and when I read it. I somethimes will respond to older messages that
I had previously not read or overlooked. Nothing selective about it Michiel.


 MV>>>  And don't give me that "moderator should set the example"
 MV>>> again.

 MV>>> Ross also claims to be the moderator here.

 JS>>      Not according to Björn.

 MV> Ross claims to be moderator here. Not evryone recognises his claim,
 MV> but the claim is there nevertheless.

 JS>>  Who do you think is the moderator(s) here?

 MV> It does not matter who I think is moderator. What matters is that
 MV> *Ross* believes he is the moderator here, Therefore he should also be
 MV> subject to your rule that the moderator should lead by example.

     Now that's funny. Your story changes from when Björn was being asked
to lead by example. When was the last time you asked Björn who claims to
be the only moderator here to not break his own rules that he expects
everyone else to follow?

    If there were two equal co-moderators here in this echo then the rules
should apply to both equally. But we both know that isn't the case. We have
one moderator here who operates by his own set of rules.


 MV> If you believe the moderator should lead by example, you should apply
 MV> that rule equally to everyone who claims to be moderator. When you do
 MV> not you show bias.

 MV>>> So why not ask Ross for an apology first?

 JS>>      Simple, I happen to have read Björn's insult first. Wouldn't
 JS>> it be better if Björn didn't keep making statements that required
 JS>> people to having to come to his rescue?

 MV> People would not have to come to his rescue if he was not attacked.
 MV> You are one of the attackers.

     Only because you NEED me to be. In reality the vast majority of my
posts are responses and not attacks. People react to Björn and his insults,
and his expressions of dislike and hatred. Isn't it time to take off the
blinders Michiel
?


 MV> Cheers, Michiel

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Jeff

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