Text 8588, 146 rader
Skriven 2007-12-21 22:28:16 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
   Kommentar till text 8581 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
Ärende: George W. Bush
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Jeff Smith -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>> Even when the insulter has intended it, the insultee can just ignore
 DD>> it.

 JS>      Sure they could but the fact that the insultee chooses to ignore or
 JS> not respond to an insult from someone does not mean that there was no
 JS> insult. If I throw a ball at you and it hits you. You have the choice of
 JS> throwing it back at me or ignoring the fact that it hit you and moving on.
 JS> The fact that you may have ignored the ball hitting you doesn't mean that
 JS> I didn't thow a ball at you with intent to hit you.

Once again you confuse physical actions with mere hollow words. Words cannot
harm you unless you wish them to. My are you so masochistic

 DD>>  It just words.

 JS>     I don't totally disagree with you David. Often times the insultee can
 JS> minimize the effect of an insult by ignoring it or at least by not
 JS> responding to the insult. People who insult or call others names often
times feed off
 JS> the effect it has on the insultee and the manner in which they respond.

All the more reason for the insultee to disregard the harmless words. If the
insultee will not rise to the intended slur, there is no slur.

 DD>> Do you remember the rhyme from your childhood "Sticks and stones may
 DD>> break my bones, but names will never hurt me."?

 JS>     Sure do David.

 DD>>  It is still relevant today.

 JS>     Can't speak for others but I have always tried to live by the
principle
 JS> that I can argue or disagree without resorting to getting personal or
 JS> calling people names.  Lets take the original statement to Ward. I was not
 JS> overtly offended by the statement but Ward was and calmly stated so. My
 JS> initial question to Bjorn was why he felt the need to be insulting. And
yes, the
 JS> same question could very well be asked of others here too.

This is Ward's problem, not yours to blow up out of all proportion.

 DD>> Or is it that your litigeous society has you looking fro wrong in
 DD>> other people all of the  time???

 JS>     I don't think that is the case but I imagine that I see things from
 JS> a slightly differant perspective than you do. Not suggesting better or
 JS> worse, just differant.

It may be time you reviewed your outlook - you'll go grey and give yourself
ulcers.

[...]

 DD>> Or should people learn not to be insulted? Words are just words.

 JS>      Possibly. But that does not address the cause of the problem.
Ignoring
 JS> something doesn't make it go away. If you were to ignore people insulting
 JS> you. That by itself would not make the people stop insulting you. If those
 JS> that are insulting you are convinced to stop. You don't have to concern
 JS> yourself with having to ignore anything. And others don't have to put up
 JS> reading the insults or coming to your defense.

Of course it stops them insulting you, they can only make useless attempts is
you won't rise to the bait.
[...]
 JS>>>      How about the standards (Rules) specified by the moderator?
 JS>>> The standards that I refer to are not my standards. They are
 JS>>> Bjorn's.

 DD>> As is the interpretation of those rules. You still seem to be working
 DD>> with your interpretation even when Bjorn has explained his.

 JS>      He explained his re-interpretation of his rules which allowed him
 JS> more freedom cuss and swear and to express his personal views of who and
 JS> what he happended  to hate or dislike about people or their country,
 JS> government, or religon. I chose to speak up as I didn't see that as the
 JS> intended purpose of this echo. This echo is NOT Bjorn's personal soapbox.

Correct - it is the soapbox of us all - including you. And you are one of the
bigger users of said soapbox - in contravention with YOUR interpretation of the
rules. You are a hypocrite with a personal vendetta.
[...]

 DD>> Then lead by example. Stop your bullshit in this echo immediately if
 DD>> you fee that the echo is not for such.

 JS>      Ask and get Bjorn to do the same and I would be more than glad stop
 JS> further comments on the suject. As I have stated to Bjorn. I am reacting
 JS> to him and his actions. I would be willing to help but Bjorn has to take
 JS> the first step.

Why - he obviously has no problem with his actions here. It your
misinterpretation of his rules that is your problem.

 DD>> Even with the non-Fidonews related chatter in here, there is nothing
 DD>> to stop people discussing Fidonews content (if there was any).

 JS>      How many have gave up or lost interest in Fidonews related content
 JS> due to the insults, name calling and general bullshit that one has to
 JS> wade through here?

Please provide a list of such people. How many of those do your feel your
bullshit has driven away.

 DD>> Except that the Moderator has mandated a certain amount of deviation
 DD>> from just Fidonews discussion. It's right there in the rules.

 JS>      And I wouldn't see a problem with that. And that isn't what we are
 JS> talking about either now is it? There is a differance between the
moderator
 JS> allowing some varying of the topics permitted and the allowing of anything
 JS> and everything be it insulting, profane.

Profane? As in

1.	characterized by irreverence or contempt for God or sacred principles or
things; irreligious.
2.	not devoted to holy or religious purposes; unconsecrated; secular (opposed
to sacred).
3.	unholy; heathen; pagan: profane rites.

I suspect you may be exhibiting some religious intolerance here.

 JS> When Bjorn who is the moderator here is among others who are doing the
insulting and the name calling. The
 JS> importance and respect does that inspire in others for his rules.

What in the rules suggests to you that this echo is for sucking up to others
(gaining respect)? Are you really that far up yourself that you need everyone
to look up to you?

What have you done to earn my respect? You've done nothing but wine and moan
ever since you showed up here. Respect, my arse!

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regards

David

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