Text 953, 151 rader
Skriven 2007-05-05 10:55:28 av Herman Neut (2:280/1141)
    Kommentar till text 934 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
Ärende: Shootings
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Hi Ross,


   Quoting: Ross Cassell to Herman Neut
 Date/Time: 04-May-07 / 19:04:50
   Subject: Shootings


 RC>>> Not when you showed someone elses node number in the kludges.

 HN>> I still showed my own identity!

 RC> Insufficient if the header lines showed another?

And what if the header kludges are deleted before sending? Or just removed
the MSGID kludge???

 HN>> I could have shown another nodenumber in the origin. But I did
 HN>> NOT

 RC> You almost told the truth but didnt, irrelevant.

Beg your pardon?       Where did I lie ?
What about the daily forgeries of the "From:"  and the "To: " fields in the
msg headers of postings by Mr Roy Witt???

It is complete ridiculious how a certain R\%/itt can spout his stupid trash
around here.
And now you can hear him crying how _his_ nodenumber has been stolen, or
whatever.
Poor little Boy \%/itt


 HN>> I could have manipulated seenby and path. I did NOT

 RC> Only if you packet rammed.

No problem (technical)

 RC>>> The reader I use was originally coded by Odinn Sorenson, when I
 RC>>> went to your forged message in FN_SYSOP, and went through the
 RC>>> motions to reply to it via netmail, I pressed the N key (Quote
 RC>>> Reply elsewhere) it addressed the message using Roys address,
 RC>>> not yours

 RC>>> Are you saying you know better than one of Fidonets past but
 RC>>> most notable software authors, ie Odinn Sorenson????

 RC> Are you better than Odinn?

No. Not relevant

 RC>>> The kludges have other uses, and arent useless simply because
 RC>>> your software might be too brain dead to use them

 HN>> Not relevant.

 RC> Very relevant.

Not appropriate. We are talking about that only 1 fake msg I posted.

What damage or loss in the distrubution and mailprocessing of echomail has
been caused by that posting of mine?

 RC>>> Its wrong Herman, far more people use software that does utilize
 RC>>> the kludges for dupe detection, addressing of replies etc etc.

 HN>> So does mine Ross.

 RC> Then why would you put out a message like that?

 HN>> The only possible "target" of this "mutant" MSGID was Mr Witt He
 HN>> only could bombed by (crash)netmail replies when that MSGID
 HN>> kludge was used for a reply to (as my and your software do)

 RC> Which if you think about it could be used against you in a policy
 RC> exercise in theory

 RC> Is that what you wanted?

Did I say (write) so?

 RC>>> Worse yet, you take it one step further and forge a message to
 RC>>> make it look like it was from Roy

 HN>> Don't be stupid Ross. Display of kludges are normally
 HN>> switched-of. (I have them ON by default) But the nodenumber (of
 HN>> the originator!!!) is always shown (cannot be hidden) in the
 HN>> origin line.

 RC> You forget about the header lines in the from/to.

Irrelevant in this part of the discussion.
I did show completely _open_ my identity: 2:280/1141 as everybody always
can see in the origin.


 HN>> In other words: I showed my ID ! Period!

 RC> No you didnt, you say as much above by implying that Roy would
 RC> have been bombarded by replies from your stunt

ROTFL.

What has been the chance such thing would happen??
Be realistic Ross.
Only theoretical it could happen in a worst case.


 HN>> Hint: Look at the last 100 MSGS in FN_SYSOP.  How many is daily
 HN>> TRASH from Roy and from you?

 RC> Irrelevant, no forgeries except by you.

What about "From: " field ??

 RC>>> That does not make it ok for you to make them look like they
 RC>>> come from a system which did not originate it

 HN>> Everyone could see who was the originator. Or can't you read???

 RC> Thats not the point and you know it.

YOU make a point of it. Just only in this case.

 RC>>> In the end, I dont think you are advocating people fly differing
 RC>>> node numbers in the header versus the origin lines, are you
 RC>>> Herman

 HN>> No. I am not and I will not.

 RC> But you did it!!

NO. I am not _advocating_ and I will not do that.

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Best Regards,
      Herman Neut

 e-mail: h.neutnospam@hccnet.nl

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